SKYW CRJ2 in ATL?

[enuffalready]

problem is . .those senior guys at top, don't care if we grow or not.... what motivation to they have? talk to any of them. they're not worried. They don't think we could end up like comair...

 

[maxcackel]

So you think putting a dent in our cost will win us more flying, or your just hoping so? Going from 10% higher to 9% will not do it. PBS equals more efficient by needing less pilots, are you saying your willing to furlough to do our part?

 

[SLUF4]

well, if we cave like this management will always just say how terrible things are going and we have to do this to stay in business...we'll never improve our wages again

 

[Stifler's Mom]

problem is . .those senior guys at top, don't care if we grow or not.... what motivation to they have? talk to any of them. they're not worried. They don't think we could end up like comair...

True...I had one senior Capt. on the 700 tell me a few years ago when SKW was transferring our planes.

"As long as we have 10-700's in the fleet, it won't affect me."

 

[Speedtape]

Comair Pilots bent over backwards giving into MGMT wishes with the promise of NEW GROWTH! And the return on the Comair Pilot's concessions are what..........chirp, chirp, chirp............! It worked really well there----NOT!

 

[SLUF4]

That's right speedtape..i remember all that

 

[enuffalready]

i remember that too... I've been here 8 years.... just pointing out that out senior guys dont care if we furlough another 300 on top of the 150... dont care about reserve, etc.. ask em... they will tell you. " ahh, we could never turn into comair... we are in atlanta, etc, etc"... the more senior we get, the more likely we will eventually become comair..

 

[CFI2766]

i remember that too... I've been here 8 years.... just pointing out that out senior guys dont care if we furlough another 300 on top of the 150... dont care about reserve, etc.. ask em... they will tell you. " ahh, we could never turn into comair... we are in atlanta, etc, etc"... the more senior we get, the more likely we will eventually become comair..

Probably something to that....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm pretty senior, and I very much want to grow....Not all of us at the top are that short sighted....We very much need to worry about growth.

 

[enuffalready]

I'm pretty senior, and I very much want to grow....Not all of us at the top are that short sighted....We very much need to worry about growth.

yes, and you are in the minority... truth is... if we cut capacity by another 10 %, it doesnt effect the top guys..very few, excluding yourself, see it for what it is...

 

[CFI2766]

I'm pretty senior, and I very much want to grow....Not all of us at the top are that short sighted....We very much need to worry about growth.

Wisdom here.


The more we shrink, the more expensive a product we produce. Simple fact of life. Too expensive, and ASA could cease to exist at the worst possible point in the careers of the senior guys here.

However, I'll agree with others in this post in that the more senior types enjoying life on the 90/70 vocally could care less about what happens to the junior FOs. As long as the lines are good, and there is plenty of open time for those that want it, they are fine with life.

 

[JumpersAway]

What r u smoking? The lines are decent?!? Lines have sucks for the past 8 months and getting worse! I'm sure there's something they can do, but they can't get much worse. Used to be able to hold 3-day trips... Thanks SH.

Decent is a relative term. You think they're bad now, wait until you have your choice pick of five day trips after the new fatigue initiative and rest rules are implimented. It can get worse, believe me- it can ALWAYS get worse..................

 

[CFI2766]

Decent is a relative term. You think they're bad now, wait until you have your choice pick of five day trips after the new fatigue initiative and rest rules are implimented. It can get worse, believe me- it can ALWAYS get worse..................

There is a lot of talk about 5 day trips here and out on the line lately.

Has anyone seen any analysis of why 5 day trips would suddenly be the norm? If we are tacitly agreeing that 5 day trips would save the company money with the new rest rules, wouldn't they save the company money now? Why aren't our schedules filled with 5 day trips now? Why is Skywest's schedules filled with 5 day trips?

I believe that the combination of existing rest rules and contractual trip and duty rigs make 5 day trips a non-starter. 30 in 7 and 100 in 30 as existing limits (which could be lowered even further) make five day trips difficult. Throw in the trip and duty rigs, as well as minimum monthly days off, and 5 day trips seem even less plausible at ASA.

If 5 day trips are in our future, I predict that they are part of a negotiating tactic. As well, I've personally already seen an attempt by the folks who control costs at our company to use the scare tactic of 5 day trips as a ploy.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Don't put the cart before the horse. The proposals are not yet rules.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If there is any truth to the rumor about a 12 hour duty day and stricter limits based on the number of legs...You can expect worse schedules...Especially on the 50 because of the short legs.

Anytime you limit the flexibility and limit the ability to get as close to 8 hours per day....you increase the days required to get the same amount of flying.