skybus is so cheap......

[bgaviator]

Skybus is so cheap, it causes losers to come up with dumb threads like this.

 

[FLYfishin]

Skybus is so cheap, it causes losers to come up with dumb threads like this.

Sorry if we hurt your feelings, just trying to have some fun. Obviously you're a Skybus dispatcher. How's that $9.50 an hour treating you?

 

[bgaviator]

The starting DX pay at SX is $34k-36k....hardly $9.50/hour.
You didn't hurt my feelings.

 

[vixin]

HAHAHA a dispatcher makes more then the FO's. Thats how cheap that chit bag place is. They are so cheap the crew has to pay for any drinks consumed.

 

[HA25]

HAHAHA a dispatcher makes more then the FO's. Thats how cheap that chit bag place is. They are so cheap the crew has to pay for any drinks consumed.

Most FO's make well over $30K.. guarantee is $30K.. that's better than UAL, USAir, and many others..

Get your facts straight before you open your trap.. I'm giving them serious consideration after reading up more on them, and I was the first one to be a critic when I read the mis-information on pilot message boards like this.. They pay by credit hours, and most pilot will credit 100 hours per month with a 15-16 day work month... that's $36K+ for an FO.. AND they're home EVERY night, while you surf the channels at the Ramada Inn!

Then there is the fact that with the exception of CMH, they don't fly into any really busy airports, so those long delays, and hassles that we're all used to flying out of other major airports are a thing of the past.. There is little sitting around as their turns are 25min.. most duty days are not longer than 10-11 hours.. etc..

Add profit share and stock options, and it's a risk I'm willing to take..

What did WN pay back in 1977?


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btw.. I'm furloughed American, and if they hire me, and it goes the way I hope, I'll not be returning to the 12-15 year FO job I was staring in the face before..

 

[Bighorn]

Most FO's make well over $30K.. guarantee is $30K.. that's better than UAL, USAir, and many others..

Get your facts straight before you open your trap.. I'm giving them serious consideration after reading up more on them, and I was the first one to be a critic when I read the mis-information on pilot message boards like this.. They pay by credit hours, and most pilot will credit 100 hours per month with a 15-16 day work month... that's $36K+ for an FO.. AND they're home EVERY night, while you surf the channels at the Ramada Inn!

Then there is the fact that with the exception of CMH, they don't fly into any really busy airports, so those long delays, and hassles that we're all used to flying out of other major airports are a thing of the past.. There is little sitting around as their turns are 25min.. most duty days are not longer than 10-11 hours.. etc..

Add profit share and stock options, and it's a risk I'm willing to take..

What did WN pay back in 1977?


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Okay... 25 min turns with people who make 9.50 an hour as do the FA's. Yeah because that will happen they are the best of the best and care a lot. Get what you pay for.

Home every night? If you live in CMH. I think they get one day off between pairings.

Hassle of big airports. Is this your first cross country solo? Who cares so you line up and wait in JFK look at some bad ass planes land and taxi and get paid. Its really not hard going in and out of "big" airports. Delays will never be a thing of the past until we get rid of 50 seat airplanes at the nations busiestairports. I realize I just pissed off alot of dudes with frosted tips who tell girls at the bar they fly for US air when they really fly for air willy but, its true.

Lastly PROFIT SHARING
Since the Wright brothers took flight at Kitty Hawk. If you add up all the profits and losses from airlines you will have a negative number. Pay me cash and I will spend and invest where I want to.

PS don't compare usair or Ual to skybus ever again.

 

[HA25]

Okay... 25 min turns with people who make 9.50 an hour as do the FA's. Yeah because that will happen they are the best of the best and care a lot. Get what you pay for.

Home every night? If you live in CMH. I think they get one day off between pairings.

total missinformation.. you "think"?? How about getting the facts right, or is it ok since this is the annonymous internet? Their minimum days off is 13, and most line are 15 with senior ones at 17.. This is only going to get better for the pilots hired now as they hire more and more.. 200 next year alone. Those are the facts.

Hassle of big airports. Is this your first cross country solo? Who cares so you line up and wait in JFK look at some bad ass planes land and taxi and get paid. Its really not hard going in and out of "big" airports. Delays will never be a thing of the past until we get rid of 50 seat airplanes at the nations busiestairports. I realize I just pissed off alot of dudes with frosted tips who tell girls at the bar they fly for US air when they really fly for air willy but, its true.

here we agree, but you have fun getting rid of the 50 seat jets! I'll worry about the realities of the industry and the way it's changed forever.

Lastly PROFIT SHARING
Since the Wright brothers took flight at Kitty Hawk. If you add up all the profits and losses from airlines you will have a negative number. Pay me cash and I will spend and invest where I want to.

That might well be true in the post-regulation era for the likes of American, and other major airlines as they're a model designed for another era.. but Southwest, hasn't had a loss year in how long? Profit share at Southwest works.. and Skybus is more like a Southwest in their model than UAL.. so I guess you're right, I should compare them.. apples to oranges.


You can put your head in the sand if you like, but I for one will not. Go to USAir now to fly an Embraer out of PHL at $32K/yr on reserve? or United and fly for $28K/yr? or Skybus and make $10K more flying trips.. upgrade inside 1 year and make $85-90K.. with nothing but pay raises to look forward to, profit sharing, and stock options..

Gee, let me think.

 

[vixin]

I couldnt care less what SWA paid in 1977. Its what they pay now. Get on with a company that respects its employees. Never stayed at a Ramada Inn. I enjoy my overnights. So shut your trap pal. Good luck at STYbus. Wow a CA making 90g. Our 2nd year FO's make more then that. Have fun deadheading from Seattle or wherever they sell to out their. Make sure you carry plenty of singles to pay for those sodas and water. Maybe the FA's will supplement their income by giving you guys happy endings to your flights.

 

[HA25]

A captain making $90g at the beginning of his second year sure is a lot better than one waiting 18 years to make captain.. (USAir).

FA's getting 9/hr plus 10% commission is silly in my view, and I predict that may change.. but that's not to throw out the baby with the bath water. But to be quite honest, the biggest problem most airlines have is over-unionization. FAs should not be considered skilled labor.. nor gate agents, or ramp service. Pilots, dispatchers, and mechanics are skilled and LICENSED labor... FA's can be trained from the Macy's make up counter to the cabin inside of 1 month... they have no retirement age, no license, and no professional training outside of their on the job training.. Kill me, but that's how I feel. They're important, but not as important as they like to think they are.


Southwest's pay now is a direct reflection on how the company can afford to pay.. in the end, the pay you take home will be more about the income your company can make, and less about what type of plane or what type of route you fly

If Skybus plans to make a lot of money, you can bank on their pilots wanting some of that too..

anyway, peace out.

 

[HA25]

I couldnt care less what SWA paid in 1977. Its what they pay now.

So those real senior captains you fly with that have been at WN since they were the Skybus of the 70's and 80's are scum of the earth for working at WN back then?

You are a Hypocrite if you say anything other than "you're right.. "

Not to mention, those initial WN guys.. how are they doing financially as a result of the risk they took?

I know many pilots at American that think of WN the way you are trying to paint SX.. the pot calling the kettle black I suppose.

 

[Little Bubba]

FMS;

How did the skybus interview go... Also, why did you change your handle?

 

[Shrek]

Uhhh FA's are liscenced you bottom feeder dou**bag. You go ahead and treat your FAs like you describe them here.......have fun.

I understand you are a Tool but do you have to be the WHOLE BOX?

 

[vixin]

So those real senior captains you fly with that have been at WN since they were the Skybus of the 70's and 80's are scum of the earth for working at WN back then?

You are a Hypocrite if you say anything other than "you're right.. "

Not to mention, those initial WN guys.. how are they doing financially as a result of the risk they took?

I know many pilots at American that think of WN the way you are trying to paint SX.. the pot calling the kettle black I suppose.

I think I already answered this one before. When some other low life dou%*bag that couldnt get a job elsewhere was spewing the same stuff. Good luck at such a dirt bag company. I have my doubts if you are furloughed AMR. What a clown you are. With SNJS, boo hoo go work at McD's for the same money. Heck their uniforms are better. Nice way to think of your FA's also. With that attitude you wouldnt be very welcome at SWA. What a loser!

 

[HA25]

FMS;

How did the skybus interview go... Also, why did you change your handle?

I haven't interviewed yet. An old friend I've not spoken to in a while and I reconnected recently and he works there and loves it so he gave me the FACTS which were sorely missing here and now I'm a critic turned possible advocate. I'm keeping an open mind as quality of life is king for me and being junior forever at some long established airline is not my idea of fun.

As for the callsign. I've long since sold the Volvo and gone to Mercedes and BMW. So I got sick of the almost weekly pm's asking how I like my Volvo!

Btw. If F/A is a license then I would like to see some links to where one gets this license and under what part of the FARs its under.

 

[WateryGrave]

I haven't interviewed yet. An old friend I've not spoken to in a while and I reconnected recently and he works there and loves it so he gave me the FACTS which were sorely missing here and now I'm a critic turned possible advocate. I'm keeping an open mind as quality of life is king for me and being junior forever at some long established airline is not my idea of fun.

As for the callsign. I've long since sold the Volvo and gone to Mercedes and BMW. So I got sick of the almost weekly pm's asking how I like my Volvo!

Btw. If F/A is a license then I would like to see some links to where one gets this license and under what part of the FARs its under.

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and anyone who works for that scumbag outfit should be considered a scab in my book! Hope you enjoy dressing like a park ranger. Hey Yogi!

 

[HA25]

I stand corrected on the lic, but clearly the requirements to get one aren't the same as an A&P or Pilot, or do you disagree?

as for calling me a Scab.. shame on you, I doubt you've been in this industry to know what that is.. And from the looks of your profile, I take it you work for JetBlue.. talk about the pot calling the kettle black! The WN and B6 guys in this thread that are piling on are beyond me! I can see the Legacy pilots being a bit miffed as their airlines fell victim to the LCC phenomenon..

What did Jet Blue pay their 1st year CA's when they started out? I recall well below $100K was the rate..

And I'd rather dress like a Park Ranger than some gay Kenneth Cole model!

 

[WateryGrave]

And I'd rather dress like a Park Ranger than some gay Kenneth Cole model!

Thats Virgin America with the gay black uniforms, but whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better yogi.

 

[HA25]

Thats Virgin America with the gay black uniforms, but whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better yogi.

No VA's black is 10 times better than the JB gay blue with the kenneth cole (DAL FA style) shirts.. That's GAY!

And my house is bigger than yours, my watch more expensive and my cars a lot nicer! So there! nanie nanie na!

What a bunch of childish brats this profession is filled with!

 

[HA25]

and anyone that's got to list every plane (including the little pipers) he's flown in his profile has a small penis syndrome if you ask me! I'll match my resume up against yours anytime. I was hired at American when you were still flying RJs, so don't lecture me and start throwing out scab like some old school ALPA guy..

 

[FLYfishin]

Hey Boo-Boo, let's all relax and get some picnic baskets!

 

[HA25]

I'm not the one throwing rocks thru a glass house.. In the years I've been on this form it went from a place to get good gouge on what / who is hiring and helping out a brother.. to flame, hate and attack.. I saw it with the AirTran / JB guys when the were hiring and everyone was furloughing and I sadly even fell into it.. Time to stop and act like a grown up, at least I will try.

 

[say again]

Whatever people decide to do is their business! As much as I disagree, b!tch and moan, curse, humiliate, disrespect, etc., its not gonna change the fact that this is how things are gonna be. I think its pathetic, but to convince others is impossible, and thats been proven over and over again. So good luck to all. I'm now on the corporate side of things and I'm never looking the other way, HOPEFULLY!!!!!:beer:

 

[FLYfishin]

Cumbya!!!:beer:

 

[EngineOut]

HAHAHA a dispatcher makes more then the FO's. Thats how cheap that chit bag place is. They are so cheap the crew has to pay for any drinks consumed.

There was a time when your Dispatchers started out getting paid more than your FOs at Flex

 

[jaybird]

Can we get back on track here.

skybus is so cheap, FMS-Speed has to do pilot cheerleading on flightinfo.com

 

[WateryGrave]

and anyone that's got to list every plane (including the little pipers) he's flown in his profile has a small penis syndrome if you ask me! I'll match my resume up against yours anytime. I was hired at American when you were still flying RJs, so don't lecture me and start throwing out scab like some old school ALPA guy..

Hey Yogi, do you have to go back and sell ipods when you take breaks to go to the lav?? Oh wait, they didn't put lav's on those airplanes, had to make room for extra seats. Just issue everybody diapers at the door. Is it fun wearing your park ranger outfit? Did you go to FFDO school so you could get a gun and complete the look? Now that would be even sexier than my Kenneth Cole FA shirt!

 

[HA25]

this article says it all.. this thread could be written about any airline..

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/travel/20pracalacarte.html?8dpc

 

[bgaviator]

Hey Yogi, do you have to go back and sell ipods when you take breaks to go to the lav?? Oh wait, they didn't put lav's on those airplanes, had to make room for extra seats. Just issue everybody diapers at the door. Is it fun wearing your park ranger outfit? Did you go to FFDO school so you could get a gun and complete the look? Now that would be even sexier than my Kenneth Cole FA shirt!

*Yawn*

 

[PCL_128]

A captain making $90g at the beginning of his second year sure is a lot better than one waiting 18 years to make captain.. (USAir).

Umm, why don't you just go to a place like AirTran, SWA, or Frontier? Upgrade isn't 18 years, and the first year FO pay isn't poverty wages as it is at the legacies.

Here's a comparison of pay after the first 5 years. This uses current payrates at common credit times of about 85 hours for SWA, Frontier, and AirTran, and optimistic Skybus pay based on working a bunch over guarantee:

SWA Frontier AirTran SkyBus

Y1 62k 47k 53k 40k
Y2 98k 74k 66k 84k
Y3 108k 83k 71k 86k
Y4 118k 87k 77k 88k
Y5 129k 143k 130k 90k

Total: 515k 434k 397k 388k


As you can see, there is no financial advantage whatsoever in going to work for Skybus, even when you consider the 12-month upgrade. Since the CA pay is so absurdly low at Skybus, working as a copilot at SWA and Frontier pays more, and it's not that much less at AAI with an 8 year old contract that's about to be improved, probably next year. The stock options that you tout are a bigger gamble than you'll find on the Vegas strip, especially since there aren't even plans for the company to go public yet.

Several CAs at Pinnacle interviewed at Skybus, one that even lives in CMH and currently has to commute to DTW, and they all turned it down after getting offered the job because it just didn't make sense. A checkairman at a crappy regional like PCL makes as much money as a Skybus CA. Captains at good regionals like ASA, Skywest, and ExpressJet make far more.

Anybody who goes to work for Skybus should have their medical revoked due to mental health concerns.

 

[Bighorn]

No VA's black is 10 times better than the JB gay blue with the kenneth cole (DAL FA style) shirts.. That's GAY!

And my house is bigger than yours, my watch more expensive and my cars a lot nicer! So there! nanie nanie na!

What a bunch of childish brats this profession is filled with!

I am gay and really offended by FMS. Does that make me a childish brat?

CMH here I come move over Clarrett.