Sky West pilots response to mgt

[MYFpilot]

...will make mid-80K range this year on reserve, rarely pick up OT or do any extra flying)

Enjoying your 10 days off every month?

What did you think of Brad's letter?

 

[GearBayOverheat]

Don't you mean Toni's letter??

 

[atrdriver]

I'm glad your experience was different. Perhaps you didn't have a management group that was so wholly anti-labor to begin with at Coex? Mesa's CEO is notorious for his labor relations.

10 years of ALPA ineffectiveness at Mesa is easily 1/3 rd of a pilots career. For what ever reason, ALPA does not add significant value to the pilot's life at MESA.

And here you say how bad JO is and was, and then in the same breath say that ALPA was totally ineffective. I would venture to guess that without a union in place JO would have abused the pilots much more than he did. And I love how everyone blames ALPA national. ALPA is made up of pilots, that work for YOUR airline. If you were unhappy with it then why didn't you get involved and try to make it better? Or were you one of those guys that just likes to sit around and complain instead of trying to fix things?

And as far as ALPA not doing anything for the last 10 years or so, I bet that's not what people were saying in 2000 when UAL and DAL signed their huge contracts.

 

[sweptback]

Me-3rd year CA, some of the year will be 4th. pay rate is like 63 bucks/hr.

63/hr x 105/hrs per month avg. credit =6489
6489 x 12 months = 77868
plus per diem, which for me will be between 5-6K=$83368

plus all the other crap you mentioned

Per diem doesn't go on your W2, but you knew that.

Plus, if you're getting $6000 in per diem then you're spending an awful lot of time away from home. Not exactly something worth bragging about...

 

[WWEfan]

PBR,

hello Sunshine! you still work here? how can you stand it, man?! I thought you'd moved on since you hate this place sooooo badly. either that or imploded in on yourself in a fit of company hating, self-loathing, ultra negative rage.

so, here we go again.

Me-3rd year CA, some of the year will be 4th. pay rate is like 63 bucks/hr.

63/hr x 105/hrs per month avg. credit =6489
6489 x 12 months = 77868
plus per diem, which for me will be between 5-6K=$83368

plus all the other crap you mentioned

Lets see so if you are at $63 and you should be around $68 x the 105 hours a month you claim thats $7140 x 12 = 85680 That means you are short $7812 a year or $650 a month under paid.

You still havent mention anything about the CR7 rate being low....... lets apply a real CR7 rate and see how much you are NOT making!

 

[AWACO]

My vote is no.

 

[fastback]

Again you are spewing $hit again, 3rd year CPT making mid 80k. Yeah right, if you go to the company website and add the cost of the krappy socalled health insurance, SSI and every other thing they can add to make you think that the blue kool-aid is really tasty. Guess what that kool-aid come out the back of a RJ, and you are swilling like there is no tomorrow. I am a 9th year CPT and will not get anywhere that number, unless you use all the company supplied propaganda. 3rd year CPT, whoohoo WTF, you arent even a journeyman yet. grow up you putz, you are starting to sound like hellownewwoman. "Those who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it" Here we go, you and the rest of unkle ricos lap puppies will screw the rest of us. You are an embarrasment to all workers. The great irony is you will get exactly what you deserve, a$$pounding!
PBR

Okay man, we get it. You're all about the irony of calling "blue-juice" koolaid, and so any Skywest pilot that doesn't support ALPA likes drinking from the lav. It's funny, and good on ya' for making that connection. But that was like a year ago, and it has since worn thin.

Maybe you could pick up the Uncle Rico thing and run with that for a few months, it's still pretty fresh. I'm just trying to help your game. Oh yeah, another tip, maybe you should lay off the "asspounding" for a bit too.

 

[Bluto]

Yeah, the Uncle Rico thing is still pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjtlCOKUMNc


SkyNation,
do you ever wonder why you are one of a small handful of people defending SGU's every move? Where's the guy who spent his career at SkyWest defending their noble actions? Where are the 30-year employees writing their love sonnets to our management. Why is it, the only people who can ardently defend our management's actions haven't worked at SkyWest very long? Get a clue. We're tired of the same-old rhetoric. If I wanted to hear from Uncle Rico's parrot, I'd
give our SAPA VP a call.

 

[bmpilot2003]

If you are at Skywest and 30 years or younger, do you like that Skywest continues to go after larger and larger airplanes for less and less pay? If you do, you're SCREWING yourself and your future. A clamp needs to be put on this company, a clamp that is in favor of companies that already fly heavy metal. Not micky mouse jets.

As for the actor guy how are the disney channel shows treating you?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Fellow Skywest pilots,

While ALPA tries to convince you that you need them, they are providing free job hunting seminars for the ASA pilots as things continue to deteriorate over here...... We are quickly going the way of ALG, CCAir, ACA, and CMR.....

Think very carefully about your decision, as it will be almost impossible to reverse....

Instead of a free Kit Darby seminar to help me leave, I would rather ALPA protect my job, but they are not capable of that.... instead, they will help me with my resume...

Maybe I can become a Skywest pilot....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Things are different when you're not in the top tier of pilots, Skynation.

You RJ guys got your last raise and Brasilia guys got NOTHING. PBS is a disaster for anyone in the bottom 3/4 of the list.

The SAPA company puppets lie to each other for the purposes of having secret meetings/votes without a dissenting voice and you expect them to tell you the truth about anything?

It may be nice for you, but you might consider how your fellow pilots have it. They aren't 'haters', they're just sick of being whipped by the company.

That's very similar to what happens WITH ALPA...

Even with ALPA, things are very different between the top tier of pilots and the bottom tier of pilots....

 

[JoeMerchant]

If you are at Skywest and 30 years or younger, do you like that Skywest continues to go after larger and larger airplanes for less and less pay? If you do, you're SCREWING yourself and your future. A clamp needs to be put on this company, a clamp that is in favor of companies that already fly heavy metal. Not micky mouse jets.

As for the actor guy how are the disney channel shows treating you?

What about those that over 30 and are relatively happy? What about those who think it is better to stay and keep their seniority? Does ALPA care about them?

 

[bmpilot2003]

What about those that over 30 and are relatively happy? What about those who think it is better to stay and keep their seniority? Does ALPA care about them?

You should of moved on a long time ago Joe. Whats sad is the retirement age is about to be raised and you'll still be on these boards crying over spilt milk and staggering in misery. You had the chance. Dont worry i wont be at skywest forever i'll glady give you my spot. I dont expect ALPA to protect my job here, i just hope it prevents skywest from one day getting Airbus and flying them for 50 seat rates. Thats has been an ongoing rumor here for years. Sounds like Skybus to me.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You should of moved on a long time ago Joe. Whats sad is the retirement age is about to be raised and you'll still be on these boards crying over spilt milk and staggering in misery. You had the chance. Dont worry i wont be at skywest forever i'll glady give you my spot. I dont expect ALPA to protect my job here, i just hope it prevents skywest from one day getting Airbus and flying them for 50 seat rates. Thats has been an ongoing rumor here for years. Sounds like Skybus to me.

You're so right.... I should have gone to USAir or United back in 2000..... I would have been so much better off now...... Of course you may not understand the sarcasm there.....

Your answer however confirms my suspicion that ALPA doesn't really care about the regional "lifers".... they are more trouble than they are worth.... At ASA and EGL, ALPA is encouraging the "lifers" to move on.... tells a lot about ALPA.... they don't even understand how that will just contribute to the current downward spiral......

Oh well.......

 

[SkyNation]

SkyNation,
do you ever wonder why you are one of a small handful of people defending SGU's every move?

I don't 'defend' them, I simply say that the overall deal we have here is better than elsewhere. and if I'm one of the few on this board, that is just a reflection of this board. It's full of the vocal minority. I don't see that reflected with the pilot group. I see the same whining bunch of malcontents that exist everywhere, in any organization.

Where's the guy who spent his career at SkyWest defending their noble actions?

I flew with many when I was an FO. Many 20 year and more guys. All but one said how glad they were we've stayed ALPA free.

Where are the 30-year employees writing their love sonnets to our management. Why is it, the only people who can ardently defend our management's actions haven't worked at SkyWest very long? Get a clue. We're tired of the same-old rhetoric. If I wanted to hear from Uncle Rico's parrot, I'd
give our SAPA VP a call.

be as pissed as you want. whine, moan, complain, argue, bitch, and carry on. put your best case forward to this pilot group. if they bite off, I'll go along. If they don't will you respond in kind and admit that what ALPA is selling is just not worth buying?

I'm guessing that when the vote fails this bitch fest will continue with any and all aspersions cast on the SW pilot group as being uninformed, naive, lazy, etc.

blah, blah, blah, blah. talk about being tired of the rhetoric. have the stupid vote and let's move on.

 

[Soverytired]

And here you say how bad JO is and was, and then in the same breath say that ALPA was totally ineffective.

If you were unhappy with it then why didn't you get involved and try to make it better?

Here's Mesa's problem:

• It's a lousy airline, where you'll get treated very, very poorly. (you do)

• ALPA says "You will give us 3% of your gross, and we will TRY and keep things from getting worse." (they can't)

• As things GET worse, ALPA says "Well, we will fix it in the next contract" (they don't, but they do offer many excuses about how they were "outmaneuvered")

• If you complain, you get a "Well, what have YOU done for ALPA?" (I paid you $10k you pricks)

• If you volunteer for ALPA duties, get ready for ALPA backstabbing politics. And you WILL be unappreciated by the membership no matter what you do.

ERGO:

If you want to get treated with dignity and respect, DON'T work for Mesa. If you go anyway, go in with eyes open acknowledging that that 3% is a "pilot tax" that you'll never recover in any way, shape, or form. Because in 10 years, ALPA has been completely powerless at Mesa. Probably longer.

This is MESA . . . remember, YOUR airline ALPA experience may vary.

 

[Soverytired]

And as far as ALPA not doing anything for the last 10 years or so, I bet that's not what people were saying in 2000 when UAL and DAL signed their huge contracts.

Of course not. But I guarantee you all the guys who retired wished they had done something a little more far-sighted like, oh,

FUNDING THEIR PENSIONS

ALPA is notoriously short sighted at the legacy carriers. Sure, the top guy gets paid (used to, anyway) $250k to sit on his a$$ and complain, but long term planning and looking out for the bottom of the list never happens. And god help you if you retire . . no one cares about you now.

If ALPA truly cares about pilots, the VERY FIRST THING the pilots at United and DAL will work to restore from their post-BK concessions is the promised pension for the retiree's.

--------->What are the odds that this will happen? (HINT: The answer is "ZERO")

 

[WalterSobchak]

At ASA and EGL, ALPA is encouraging the "lifers" to move on.... tells a lot about ALPA....

From the perspective of someone from the outside looking in...this is something that I would be very worried about. It gives the appearance that ALPA is in management's pocket by pushing along those on the higher end of the payscale.

 

[JoeMerchant]

From the perspective of someone from the outside looking in...this is something that I would be very worried about. It gives the appearance that ALPA is in management's pocket by pushing along those on the higher end of the payscale.

BINGO!..... ALPA and management have BOTH worked to make the regional jobs just stepping stone jobs..... There really isn't much difference between the two in this regard.....

 

[Tomct]

great question. any answer is purely hypothetical, however.

in contrast, where they are today is what it is, and the facts are evident. Mesa pilots have one of the worst, if not the worst, contracts out there. This contract was negotiated for them by ALPA via their MEC, and ALPA approved it.

That is because they are loaded with "GUTLESS" pilots....kind of like yourself! Remember skytard, the PILOT GROUP is what makes your local ALPA. If YOU are weak....hopefully you will have stronger ones to make a difference within your local Union leadership.
Hey...here is a question for you, I know that you are from a former ALPA carrier....what did YOU do to help your leadership? Wait...I'll answer for you....NOTHING! You are gutless!!!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote from skynation=hello Sunshine! you still work here? how can you stand it, man?! I thought you'd moved on .

Hello yerself sunshine! You haven't got yer 1000 PIC and moved on to a major yet? (Which will probably be an ALPA carrier; where Mr. Nation here will proudly join the ranks of his Union Brothers). Better be careful there amigo, as I'm told from new-hires that in the unlikely event of a merger, JA has publicly stated to them on several occasions it would be D. O. H.

 

[SkyNation]

I'm not against ALPA per se, I just don't bestow all the undue credit and power on them that the zealots here do.

I don't have a problem with ALPA at the majors. I just don't think it is an organization that can do much at the regional level.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Yeah , it'll be interesting to see what United , Delta, Northwest, etc get back pretty soon. Also will be interesting to see ASA's final contract. Mesa's open for contract negotiations again, but the story I've heard is that they're so short on flight crews-everybody's least favorite CEO won't let the negotiating pilots off work to come to the table. If these guys all get some pretty nice contracts I bet everyone would wish they had not bashed ALPA.


You can't whipsaw flyin when ya ain't got the crews to cover it...

 

[WWEfan]

Actually, ALPA does a lot at the regional level. In fact, most regionals could not support an in-house union on their own. ALPA provides vast resources to those regionals who otherwise could not afford their own representation.

 

[marycon]

Of course not. But I guarantee you all the guys who retired wished they had done something a little more far-sighted like, oh,

FUNDING THEIR PENSIONS

ALPA is notoriously short sighted at the legacy carriers. Sure, the top guy gets paid (used to, anyway) $250k to sit on his a$$ and complain, but long term planning and looking out for the bottom of the list never happens. And god help you if you retire . . no one cares about you now.

If ALPA truly cares about pilots, the VERY FIRST THING the pilots at United and DAL will work to restore from their post-BK concessions is the promised pension for the retiree's.

--------->What are the odds that this will happen? (HINT: The answer is "ZERO")

It is the membership that is shortsighted, the rank and file. ALPA and all unions for that matter are reactive, not proactive.

You could go back for the last 10-15 years and read congressional testimony, proposed legislation, newsletter articles etc on how ALPA national has known, recognized and tried to prevent and thwart the now pension debacle.

Until something actually happens to each of us individually, only then are we quick to complain or cry foul but when things are good or the seas are calm the majority of us go along not caring what happens and by the time it does it is too late. I am just as guilty as the next guy.

If you could get the entire membership to pay attention and look ahead much could be done. The corporations are definately forward looking but we workers are not until it is too late.

The same thing can be said about local, state, and national issues and elections. The majority of citizens don't pay too much attention to anything until it directly affects them and even then apathy reigns as one can witness through the number of people that vote.

Again that is true of the union. Look at the recent ALPA drive at Colgan. A small pilot group yet the number of voters was low.

How can you get people to pay attention to the big far ranging issues when you can barely get them to pay attention to what is happening in the here and now.

Finally it is a cliche but an airlines MEC, LEC is only as good as its leadership and its membership. Poor leadership and more importantly an apathetic membership usually leads to no good.

To take a line from HBO's first season of The Wire, most people would rather live in a world of sh1t than let someone see them work a shovel.

 

[Jmoney]

Screw Everyone Else....

I'm not against ALPA per se, I just don't bestow all the undue credit and power on them that the zealots here do.

I don't have a problem with ALPA at the majors. I just don't think it is an organization that can do much at the regional level.

You are a real moron-our industry blows because it is full of jackoffs like yourself!

Do you think ASA could even carry on negotiations for so long if it didn't have ALPA? They send us far more money to support this stuff than we pay in dues!
Oh, yeah, if you ever get hired at a major, you are all about your brothers and sisters in ALPA-just screw everyone who got your sorry butt there!

-May a camel with severe halitosis spit in your eye!
-Blow me!

 

[SkyNation]

Jmoney

thanks for reinforcing what I originally thought was just a stereotype of the ALPA zealot.

way to go, props to you.

 

[rightrudder]

Here's Mesa's problem:

• It's a lousy airline, where you'll get treated very, very poorly. (you do)

• ALPA says "You will give us 3% of your gross, and we will TRY and keep things from getting worse." (they can't)

• As things GET worse, ALPA says "Well, we will fix it in the next contract" (they don't, but they do offer many excuses about how they were "outmaneuvered")

• If you complain, you get a "Well, what have YOU done for ALPA?" (I paid you $10k you pricks)

• If you volunteer for ALPA duties, get ready for ALPA backstabbing politics. And you WILL be unappreciated by the membership no matter what you do.

ERGO:

If you want to get treated with dignity and respect, DON'T work for Mesa. If you go anyway, go in with eyes open acknowledging that that 3% is a "pilot tax" that you'll never recover in any way, shape, or form. Because in 10 years, ALPA has been completely powerless at Mesa. Probably longer.

This is MESA . . . remember, YOUR airline ALPA experience may vary.

It's not 3%, it's slightly less than 2%. You are exaggerating the dues paid by over 33%

 

[Tomct]

Jmoney

thanks for reinforcing what I originally thought was just a stereotype of the ALPA zealot.

way to go, props to you.

Once again...you have NOTHING to say when challenged about WHEN you move on....Oh yeah, ALPA is GREAT! Jmoney was close but I believe the term is more....of a HYPOCRITE!

 

[CFIT]

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