SJS is spreading!!!!

[410dude]

From the Mesalounge.....


[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Listen...stop pissing at everybody about the state of the industry. I am doing some training at Gateway, and [/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]there's at least 400 ASU students getting ready to "come out". It will not stop. There are pictures of "[/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Mesa Jets" all over the place.
As long as schools keep pumping them out, they're here to stay. Deal with it as an evolution in the business of flying.[/font]

 

[marpoo]

Take cover ! Incoming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[E170Guppykiller]

E-jets to take over the country!

 

[Truckdriver]

Cool! And you probably made more when you were a 172-RG Captain than you will make as a 5 year E-170 FO. E-Jets taking over the country, awesome!!!

 

[Ralgha]

E-jets to take over the country!

E-jets are hardly the majority at Mesa.

 

[Prop2Jet]

what is sjs?

 

[taters]

Shiny Jet Syndrome

 

[kngarthur]

From the Mesalounge.....


[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Listen...stop pissing at everybody about the state of the industry. I am doing some training at Gateway, and [/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]there's at least 400 ASU students getting ready to "come out". It will not stop. There are pictures of "[/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Mesa Jets" all over the place.
As long as schools keep pumping them out, they're here to stay. Deal with it as an evolution in the business of flying.[/font]

So.... you want to fly turbo-props? I'm confused?

 

[kngarthur]

Cool! And you probably made more when you were a 172-RG Captain than you will make as a 5 year E-170 FO. E-Jets taking over the country, awesome!!!

70K/year? I never made that as a flight instructor.

 

[kngarthur]

From the Mesalounge.....


[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Listen...stop pissing at everybody about the state of the industry. I am doing some training at Gateway, and [/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]there's at least 400 ASU students getting ready to "come out". It will not stop. There are pictures of "[/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Mesa Jets" all over the place.
As long as schools keep pumping them out, they're here to stay. Deal with it as an evolution in the business of flying.[/font]

Here's what's going on 410dude. The regionals are becoming the B-scale pilots the corperations have always wanted. The only problem is that it going to work this time because of the current economy, and fuel prices.

 

[T-REX]

70K/year? I never made that as a flight instructor.

Actually $34K. But if you are currently a 5th year FO at Mesa you got other problems.

 

[Dash8301]

I want to stay off welfare I'll skip the job at MESA

 

[Mercury]

SJS is most definately running rampant!!! I was recently at a univeristy run airport that is one of the pipelines to the regionals. There I overheard a young CFI ranting, raving and cussing that he hadnt got an interview yet at XYZ airlines and it was bull$hit that he had to teach for 2 semesters!!!!! After about 15 minutes and out of morbid curiosity I asked him if his times were competative in todays market, he responded:
"650 TT and 100 multi that's 50 more TT than the mins" I just smiled and wished him luck, then walked back outside and had a little chuckle.

 

[viper548]

You should have told him he needed to call the airline's hiring department and ask why he didn't get called in for an interview yet

 

[Truckdriver]

70K/year? I never made that as a flight instructor.

You must have just came back from a DC Academy meeting and actually believe the crap they tell people about the money they will make if they pay them for training. There isn't an FO in this industry flying a jet under 104 seats that makes anywhere near 70K. Guppykiller is probably rolling in about 30K if he works overtime and if he flew the 190 his pay would increase a whopping NOTHING to about 30K. 2nd yr CHQ pay $29/hr. Yearly income flying 90 hrs. = $31320. Yearly income after taxes = about 25K. I made more than that when I was in college working 15 hours a week. It's jackholes like this who think they actually have a career as an airline pilot when in reality they are destroying a career that was once prestigious.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Prop2jet said, "What is SJS?"

This thread should answer your question:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=59400

 

[Spinplate]

as of today CRJ Capt. upgrade is 1yr and 9months. ERJ145 just had a guy do upgrade in just over a year. Mesa's payscale does suck, but you dont have to deal with it too long since you upgrade faster than most regionals.

 

[starcheck1]

as of today CRJ Capt. upgrade is 1yr and 9months. ERJ145 just had a guy do upgrade in just over a year. Mesa's payscale does suck, but you dont have to deal with it too long since you upgrade faster than most regionals.

no i guess you are kinda right...from that point on you just have to deal with sub-par work rules and the bottom of the barrel captain pay.....sound like fun to me.

 

[Geronimo4497]

Well said, Truckdriver. Much like cancer, it will never stop. Cargo for me, someday.

 

[eastflier]

Everyone knows that if you have 500 hrs and someone asks you to fly a jet you will do it. No one cares who will get mad and if some people bitch about it on a message board. They are out for their own good lets face it. However did everyone think that maybe its the airlines fault for allowing little boys and girls with this time into their million dollar jet.


Shouldn;t there be some kind of regulation against people flying highly sophisticated regional airliners with in some cases up to 100 people on board with little or no experience? I think it would be a good idea.

But until the airlines and the FAA step up and say well maybe we sould put more experienced people in the cockpit it will never stop.

 

[FlamingFUPA]

Everyone knows that if you have 500 hrs and someone asks you to fly a jet you will do it. No one cares who will get mad and if some people bitch about it on a message board. They are out for their own good lets face it. However did everyone think that maybe its the airlines fault for allowing little boys and girls with this time into their million dollar jet.


Shouldn;t there be some kind of regulation against people flying highly sophisticated regional airliners with in some cases up to 100 people on board with little or no experience? I think it would be a good idea.

But until the airlines and the FAA step up and say well maybe we sould put more experienced people in the cockpit it will never stop.

seeing as how there has been a rash of accidents in the last few years, they really should keep these lame brains out of the cockpit.

 

[g159av8tor]

Guys, anyone who lists all the SEL airplanes and any MEL Pipers they've flown in the Aircraft Experience is ignorant of what is going on in the real world...so just take what they write with a grain of salt like you would a new puppy pissing all over the new carpet...

Tailwinds...

 

[check6]

Guys, anyone who lists all the SEL airplanes and any MEL Pipers they've flown in the Aircraft Experience is ignorant of what is going on in the real world.

Hmmmm. . . .and I 'spose you have it all figured out.

 

[Kream926]

i have RPS
























(rusty piston syndrome)

 

[g159av8tor]

Hmmmm. . . .and I 'spose you have it all figured out.

I do for me. And I'll tell anyone willing to listen what I think...for free!!! If I charged I'd be Kit Darby.

Any who, it's not about having it figured out--it's about the FNGs listening to those with 4-6 years in this industry and beyond (only if they are still lucid and don't start every story with back then...or when stewardesses weren't fags or when it was fun...) with open ears and open minds to try and learn something. Listen!!! And not with that "I know better" smirk on your face and I won't make the same mistakes and poor career choices and I'll be a 757 CA at CAL at age 37...blah...blah...blah.

We all love to fly and that is our vice and downfall...get help before you have no self respect and you are bitter beyond your years. Find someone to talk some sense into you. Try women!

Tailwinds...

 

[eastflier]

Maybe I haven't updated my profile in 3 years smartass.

 

[eastflier]

Hey g159av8r is that your wife holing that sign. DORK!

 

[WateryGrave]

Hey g159av8r is that your wife holding that sign. DORK!

Well I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say bounces off me and........... What a Jacka$$

Hey, 1000 hour wonder

Learn to spell
Learn a better insult than "Dork"
Learn some respect for your elders Opie

Come back when your balls drop!!

 

[MESAhater]

JUST SAY NO to MESA!!! Any pilot group that lets J.O. walk over them are worthless. You guys and girls might not be that bad if you would stand up for yourselves and demand better work rules and a "real" contract!! You bring down the standard for everyone else! It is just as bad as SJS, you know flying 50/70/90 seat a/c for chump change!! Jets wear off and QOL and Pay become important!!

 

[Spinplate]

JUST SAY NO to MESA!!! Any pilot group that lets J.O. walk over them are worthless. You guys and girls might not be that bad if you would stand up for yourselves and demand better work rules and a "real" contract!! You bring down the standard for everyone else! It is just as bad as SJS, you know flying 50/70/90 seat a/c for chump change!! Jets wear off and QOL and Pay become important!!

Im sorry you feel that way considering the contract is what it is until its up in 2 more years. ALPA is the middle man for most pilots. They can only help in negotiating whats in the pilots best interests. If we got everything that we wanted it wouldnt be a business anymore. Mesa,Skywest, and Southwest are the only ones turnin profits out there right now. They each have their own way of cutting cost's and unfortunately Mesa is one of the lowest paying regionals. The 900 does get better pay vs. the 200 so dont worry about that. Sounds like you used to work for Mesa and got fired or something. Did you fu*k up? You probably couldnt pass their training! At least I would have a beer with another pilot before labeling them. Damn arrogant cocky superpilot