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I seem to remember a story about a pax (actress or pop singer) throwing something small (non dangereous) up into the cockpit out of frustration. I heard she got a nice talking to, and an altimatum essentially convincing her NOT to ever let it happen again.

NJA (atleast under RTS) always had the pilots back. atleast in my time
 
I have to believe NetJets has provisions in owner contracts that prohibit the owners from doing this sort of thing. Don't all fracs require the owners to act civil towards the crews?

I remember a story of a pax peeing on the tire while the crew (Captain) was loading bags. The pee splattered and the Captain got peed on. He (rightfully) shut the operation down right there and the company stood behind him. I don't care how much they pay...they don't get to pee on us and they don't get to throw things at us or curse us out.

Sooo...NetJet's has this sort of protection right? Share owners don't get to throw catering at the crew as Downwind suggested, right?
I thought it was a Falcon capt who peed on the tire....
 
I remember a story of a pax peeing on the tire while the crew (Captain) was loading bags. The pee splattered and the Captain got peed on. He (rightfully) shut the operation down right there and the company stood behind him.
Was the owner a midget? Given the size of fractional airplanes how could the guy, I assume it was a guy, pee on the tires. Even with a geewiz one would have to kneel quite a bit to pee on the tire. That said I agree with you; you can't pee on me without paying extra.
 
True story..

Doing a flight from Canada we had a minor malfunction that we couldn't take all the way to S. FL.. We landed at a larger city on the US side, within 30 minutes of the malfunction we had another a/c ready to go, customs waiting, and a very happy passenger. (as happy as one could be with an unscheduled stop). He commented that that was the one great thing about being an owner with us.

I'm not sure but I doubt many charter ops could pull that off. Unless of course they flew the broken plane all the way to it's destination
Unfortunately that's what is done most of the time; knew a DO once who actually asked what were the odds of having an accident (very small) so why not press on.

Had a pax ask me once why their airplanes never broke down on the road and ours (nice frac operator) broke sometimes. I explained that we put more time on ours... blah, blah, blah. I wanted to tell him that your pilots want to go home so your planes break at home; where as our crews are on the road anyway so we write up broken airplanes there and then. Which is the safer method?
 
Or, we could talk about how we feel when a customer and their dog get off the aircraft leaving a nice steaming pile of awesomeness there for someone to clean up.
I mean, really? Just let the dog crap right there on the carpet? Sweet.
 
Or, we could talk about how we feel when a customer and their dog get off the aircraft leaving a nice steaming pile of awesomeness there for someone to clean up.
I mean, really? Just let the dog crap right there on the carpet? Sweet.
Are you sure it was the dog?:pimp:
 
We had an owner at my last job who would show up very early, sit in the FBO lounge until we escorted him to the a/c and make a beeline for the lav as soon as he was aboard. Every time! :erm:
 
We had an owner at my last job who would show up very early, sit in the FBO lounge until we escorted him to the a/c and make a beeline for the lav as soon as he was aboard. Every time! :erm:

Lav??? You mean a p!ss tube!
 
Lav??? You mean a p!ss tube!

Uh... no. We had a real honedt to goodness lav with a sliding door and all. The unit is the same as used in the Citation Ultra, but the remove/replace geometry is much more remover/replacer friendly.
 
Funny, in indoc a looong time ago I was told that Santulli had personally kicked her out of the program. Had something to do with verbal abuse of a flight crew over a weather delay in Aspen. Must have been BS if she only left recently.
 
Funny, in indoc a looong time ago I was told that Santulli had personally kicked her out of the program. Had something to do with verbal abuse of a flight crew over a weather delay in Aspen. Must have been BS if she only left recently.
You heard right. She got the boot from the Godfather. Came back after her little stint in lock-up on a Marquis Card. Good riddance if you ask me...
 
Wow, pilots are their own worst enemies. You get back what you put out. Pilots seem to think they are devoid of putting out negative vibes. Losing customers is a direct result. But so many future customers are in line to get in it doesn't matter does it...?
 
They didn't LOSE her. She was told to leave... Why does this have to keep being repeated? Why do people join a thread, read half way and then start posting before reading to the end of the thread making comments that are no longer relevant thus dragging crap out?
 
We had an owner at my last job who would show up very early, sit in the FBO lounge until we escorted him to the a/c and make a beeline for the lav as soon as he was aboard. Every time!
While we are sharing anecdotes, during my short stay at NJA before the hatchet fell..We had a semi well-known NBA player onboard with all his 4 homeys (in the CE560XL..not really a 'stand-up' cabin for normal-sized people). On ramp at airport..last minute WX ground stop to destination; 2+hr delay. Instead of going back into FBO, nearby bar..wherever to wait it out, they literally had us burn the APU the entire time while they drank and played cards in back. Partner and I took turns going into FBO to stretch legs while this happened. They were continuously complaining about the delay, etc...and I thought: "why in f*ck are you electing to stay in this tiny-ass frieking airplane the entire time?!" And yes- FBO did offer to set up private room for them at no charge as it was a slow day otherwise.
I got the impression that the answer to my question was that they enjoyed the "image..bling/bling-ness" of sitting in a private jet. A G5 maybe..but an XL?!..pretty sad.
 
While we are sharing anecdotes, during my short stay at NJA before the hatchet fell..We had a semi well-known NBA player onboard with all his 4 homeys (in the CE560XL..not really a 'stand-up' cabin for normal-sized people). On ramp at airport..last minute WX ground stop to destination; 2+hr delay. Instead of going back into FBO, nearby bar..wherever to wait it out, they literally had us burn the APU the entire time while they drank and played cards in back. Partner and I took turns going into FBO to stretch legs while this happened. They were continuously complaining about the delay, etc...and I thought: "why in f*ck are you electing to stay in this tiny-ass frieking airplane the entire time?!" And yes- FBO did offer to set up private room for them at no charge as it was a slow day otherwise.
I got the impression that the answer to my question was that they enjoyed the "image..bling/bling-ness" of sitting in a private jet. A G5 maybe..but an XL?!..pretty sad.

C'mon - it's a crib with wings...... Nice pimped ride... What's the point of staying in the jet if nobody can SEE YOU in the jet? There ain't no top-down viewing opportunity in the XLS. Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

In situations like that, do passengers get charged for the APU use?
 
[In situations like that, do passengers get charged for the APU use?/QUOTE] Nope..I don't believe so (at that time, anyway). I haven't been privvy to any changes internally for 2 yrs now, but maybe they wrote in a clause..at least to the few new owners they've brought on..that provides for that in such a situation. Ironic; now that I'm back in the airline world, they have this 3hr rule, etc.. to protect the pax and guarantee them a deplaning opportunity in the event of an extended delay.

Perhaps the frax need a 3 hr rule for the pilots... :)
 
Airline Guys...

[In situations like that, do passengers get charged for the APU use?/QUOTE] Nope..I don't believe so (at that time, anyway). I haven't been privvy to any changes internally for 2 yrs now, but maybe they wrote in a clause..at least to the few new owners they've brought on..that provides for that in such a situation. Ironic; now that I'm back in the airline world, they have this 3hr rule, etc.. to protect the pax and guarantee them a deplaning opportunity in the event of an extended delay.

Perhaps the frax need a 3 hr rule for the pilots... :)

Here we go again...Since airlines do a certain procedure, it's always better for everyone else to follow along...Same old song and dance from airline guys.
 

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