Should I leave Mesa and go to Pinnacle?

[A-V-8]

Go to Mesaba.

If I go to the Sab how ling is the seat lock. Can I upgrade to CRJ captain from Sab captain? I have been considering that to.

 

[HEAVY HOG]

Leave and stay away

I have searched Pinnacle on this board and have read virtually all that there is to read. I know; I shouldn’t have gone to Mesa in the first place.


Dude, if/when you get to the big leagues, you will be ashamed and embarrassed that you even did business with either of these companies.


If I were you, I'd look into Air Guard units and more reputable carriers that pay a living wage. How about the fractionals? Or a freight job into the left seat of a small turbo-prop, if instant upgrade is your goal?


Pinnacle and Mesa are just bad for everyone they impact: Employees, communities, passengers, jumpseaters, etc.

Participation = Perpetuation. Don't empower crooks like Johnny O.

 

[samballs]

No I did not say that.

Thank you for your response. Points well taken.

What would you do if you were me?

If I were you, I would go to a good regional(not that any major or regional is good), hope for a descent upgrade time and if not then i'm at a good regional for live. Not what you planned on, but it seems that since you got into flying late then Flying wasn't your first plan either. Going to PNCL is not a good move, they cannot keep the place staffed (should tell you something when people are leaving as fast as they are at Mesa), have to cancel their flights months in advance for NW. The Delta flying is nothing and probaly won't amount too much. Also as a street capt. every Fo that upgrades will be above you that will keep you at the bottom for a long time. Only reason PNCL does not get trashed as much as Mesa is because they don't steal as much flying..

 

[PCL_128]

If I go to the Sab how ling is the seat lock. Can I upgrade to CRJ captain from Sab captain? I have been considering that to.

Why do you care? PIC is PIC. Don't be one of those guys who thinks he's too good for flying a turboprop.

 

[A-V-8]

Why do you care? PIC is PIC. Don't be one of those guys who thinks he's too good for flying a turboprop.

Its not that either. I am mostly curious about the rules.

 

[samballs]

Its not that either. I am mostly curious about the rules.

Well you know the rules are just as bad at PNCL. Are you Arab?

 

[bluefishbeagle]

Yeah do it.

Right out of the frying pan into the fire!

 

[A-V-8]

I think I am going to hurl and then jump ship.

Mesa Air Group, Inc. Announces Amendment to Senior Staff Employment Agreements
Tuesday November 20, 4:30 pm ET


PHOENIX, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: MESA - News) today announces that its Board of Directors approved certain amendments to the employment agreements for its Chief Executive Officer, Jonathan G. Ornstein, its President and Chief Operating Officer, Michael J. Lotz, and its Executive Vice President and General Counsel, Brian S Gillman.

The amendments extend the terms of their respective employment agreements for an additional three years. Mr. Gillman also received an increase in his base salary and is now entitled to an annual deferred compensation payment, which will also be payable through the remaining term of his employment agreement in the event of a change in control of the Company.

Dan Altobello, the Lead Director of the Company's Board of Directors, stated, "Ten years ago, when I joined the Board and Jonathan Ornstein and Mike Lotz joined Mesa, the Company had revenue of $423 million and had lost $54 million in the previous fiscal year. Since that time we have grown to over $1.4 billion in revenue, and since 9/11 earned operating profits on a pro-forma basis in 26 of 27 quarters, regained our partnership with United Airlines, formed a new partnership with Delta, added approximately 150 regional jets to our fleet, named Regional Airline of the Year in 2005 and provided unsurpassed job security and opportunity for our employees. All this was achieved during what has to have been the most difficult environment for airlines in history. The Board of Directors strongly believes that given the challenges the Company faces today it was important to demonstrate our support of management and to ensure the continuing services of Jonathan, Mike and Brian. We are similarly pleased that these members of our executive team have indicated their long term commitment to the Company by agreeing to extend the terms of their employment agreements for the additional three years."

"I am thankful to have had the opportunity to be part of the Mesa team for the past nine years. On behalf of Mike and Brian, I'd like to thank the Board for their support. I look forward to working with my Mesa co-workers in the coming years. While we face some significant challenges ahead -- this is nothing new to Mesa. I am confident that by working together we will continue to be successful," said Jonathan Ornstein.

Mesa currently operates 185 aircraft with over 1,100 daily system departures to 184 cities, 45 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, the Bahamas and Mexico. Mesa operates as Delta Connection, US Airways Express and United Express under contractual agreements with Delta Air Lines, US Airways and United Airlines, respectively, and independently as Mesa Airlines and go!. In June 2006 Mesa launched inter-island Hawaiian service as go!. This operation links Honolulu to the neighbor island airports of Hilo, Kahului, Kona and Lihue. The Company, founded by Larry and Janie Risley in New Mexico in 1982, has approximately 5,000 employees. Mesa is a member of the Regional Airline Association and Regional Aviation Partners.

This press release contains various forward-looking statements that are based on management's beliefs, as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to management. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable; it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Such statements are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those anticipated, estimated, projected or expected.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Looking for career advice on FI? Sounds like the same thought process that landed you at Mesa to begin with.

Good luck.

 

[eaglefly]

Your best is to move.

Mesa's not long for this industry.........thankfully.

 

[RP170]

If I were you, I would go to a good regional(not that any major or regional is good), hope for a descent upgrade time and if not then i'm at a good regional for live.

I think that's good advice. Not sure if there are any "good" regionals but I know what you are trying to say. I worked at RAH and it was pretty decent. The upgrades have been relatively quick there the past few years as well and it looks like that trend is continuing.

I have a couple of friends at Pinnacle. Stay away!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I think Pinnacle is DEFINITELY better than Mesa, but I would also check out Horizon, Skywest, ASA, Chatauqua (Republic), etc.

I'm at USA Jet-we've had 5 Midwest guys come here in the last 6 months. Upgrade would probably be about 6 months for you, and you would start at $34K/$39K, depending on the aircraft, as an FO. If U want more info, PM me with your email.

cliff
SHV

 

[samballs]

Hi!

I think Pinnacle is DEFINITELY better than Mesa, but I would also check out Horizon, Skywest, ASA, Chatauqua (Republic), etc.

I'm at USA Jet-we've had 5 Midwest guys come here in the last 6 months. Upgrade would probably be about 6 months for you, and you would start at $34K/$39K, depending on the aircraft, as an FO. If U want more info, PM me with your email.

cliff
SHV

You're like a little whore

 

[norskman2]

You're like a little whore

Nice. Very professional.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I am NOT a little whore!

I am a "big" guy, and if I was a whore I would be having a lot of sex, because I'm decent looking, in good shape, and I try really hard to please.

I am NOT having a lot of sex, so you are wrong!

Dang it!

I think if I get a job that pays significantly more, my CEO will be impressed and maybe I'll have the chance to be a whore!

I can only hope.

cliff
YIP

 

[ehaecker]

STAY AWAY FROM PINNACLE!! I have quite a few friends there and they ALL hate it. Mesaba looks like a decent place to go. I hope you enjoy reserve, that will be your life for the next several years if you plan on becoming a street captain anywhere.

 

[A-V-8]

Thank you for the responses. I have applied to Mesaba. I may or may not apply to Pinnacle. I have an e-mail indicating that I am in a January upgrade class at Mesa that is dated after I started this thread. That complicates things since I was not expecting it until next year in April at the earliest.

I don’t think that coming to Mesa was a mistake. The job climate 3.5 years ago was much different than it is today. Any port in a storm. The true mistake was staying at Mesa. I should have started applying elsewhere when the market swung back into my favor. I guess hindsight is always 20/20.

I should not fix the mistake of staying at a crap company by heading to another crap company. That will only poke a rotten CEO in the eye by empowering another rotten CEO to do business.

Thank you again

I wish all of you tail winds, soft landings, and warm overnights.



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