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Should I leave Mesa and go to Pinnacle?

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How long have you been at Mesa? If not long, then why do you feel like you're ready to be a capt on the CRJ, in my experience The older guys that are new make bad choices because they like to think everything out when there is no time to think, just time to do what experience tells you to do.
 
How long have you been at Mesa? If not long, then why do you feel like you're ready to be a capt on the CRJ

3.5 Years. 3000 on the CRJ. I am ready for Cpt. on the CRJ.

I didn’t vote the last contract.

The contract says that I have the right to go the ERJ. Company will not let me. Grieve it? I did!

Fix a bad decision with another bad decision? Point well taken. Being on the bottom of the Pinnacle list will be the same is being on the bottom of the Mesa list in my opinion. That is not a big deal to me.

Entitled to PIC. Well my seniority dictates that I have the right to go to the training center and try. I am not entitled to the left seat of an ERJ. I am entitled to go to the training center and try. So what should I do about that? Sue. Oooops. Can't sue the company but I can sue the union. Well I probably will not sue the union.

Not every post here advises me against going to Pinnacle. Just 2 so far.
 
You also say you dont want to be at the bottom of the CAPT List, well at PNCL you always will be if hired as a street capt.

No I did not say that.

Thank you for your response. Points well taken.

What would you do if you were me?
 
Not every post here advises me against going to Pinnacle. Just 2 so far.

I think it's important for you to note that the posts from people telling you to go to Pinnacle are from people who don't work there and haven't worked there. Go to Mesaba.
 
Making a lateral move is always a tough call. If there are personal reasons involved, like ending an awful commute to be at home, it will generaly tilt to making the move. If you are contemplating it simply for career progression it is a lot dicier. Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't.

Mesaba is going to see a lot of growth in the next year. From a start of 51 SF3's they will end up with those SF3's plus 36 CRJ 900's and 15 CRJ 200 LR's. Most betting people think their fleet will end up a lot bigger than that before NW spins them of in an IPO.

Where is PCL headed? The 15 CRJ 200's Mesaba is receiving will come from PCL's fleet. The 900's PCL is adding will result in no net expansion for PCL. PCL is two years into section 6 negotaitions and in the middle of taking a strike vote.

Which carrier do you think has the brighter future over the next few years?

The training at PCL won't help the pilots that show up with problems to fix. If you are good you will get through it OK. PCL no longer puts pilots straight into the left seat. You must complete initial training as an FO and then log 100 hours in the right seat at PCL before you can start CA training. Figure 2 months for initial training, 2 months to log 100 hours and then another two months to complete upgrade and OE, minimum. Altogether you are looking at 6 to 9 months before you log your first hour of PIC. I don't know what the drill is at XJ to get to the left seat of a CRJ.

I hope that helps and good luck.
 
Leave and stay away

I have searched Pinnacle on this board and have read virtually all that there is to read. I know; I shouldn’t have gone to Mesa in the first place.


Dude, if/when you get to the big leagues, you will be ashamed and embarrassed that you even did business with either of these companies.


If I were you, I'd look into Air Guard units and more reputable carriers that pay a living wage. How about the fractionals? Or a freight job into the left seat of a small turbo-prop, if instant upgrade is your goal?


Pinnacle and Mesa are just bad for everyone they impact: Employees, communities, passengers, jumpseaters, etc.

Participation = Perpetuation. Don't empower crooks like Johnny O.

 
No I did not say that.

Thank you for your response. Points well taken.

What would you do if you were me?

If I were you, I would go to a good regional(not that any major or regional is good), hope for a descent upgrade time and if not then i'm at a good regional for live. Not what you planned on, but it seems that since you got into flying late then Flying wasn't your first plan either. Going to PNCL is not a good move, they cannot keep the place staffed (should tell you something when people are leaving as fast as they are at Mesa), have to cancel their flights months in advance for NW. The Delta flying is nothing and probaly won't amount too much. Also as a street capt. every Fo that upgrades will be above you that will keep you at the bottom for a long time. Only reason PNCL does not get trashed as much as Mesa is because they don't steal as much flying..
 
If I go to the Sab how ling is the seat lock. Can I upgrade to CRJ captain from Sab captain? I have been considering that to.

Why do you care? PIC is PIC. Don't be one of those guys who thinks he's too good for flying a turboprop.
 
I think I am going to hurl and then jump ship.

Mesa Air Group, Inc. Announces Amendment to Senior Staff Employment Agreements
Tuesday November 20, 4:30 pm ET


PHOENIX, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: MESA - News) today announces that its Board of Directors approved certain amendments to the employment agreements for its Chief Executive Officer, Jonathan G. Ornstein, its President and Chief Operating Officer, Michael J. Lotz, and its Executive Vice President and General Counsel, Brian S Gillman.

The amendments extend the terms of their respective employment agreements for an additional three years. Mr. Gillman also received an increase in his base salary and is now entitled to an annual deferred compensation payment, which will also be payable through the remaining term of his employment agreement in the event of a change in control of the Company.

Dan Altobello, the Lead Director of the Company's Board of Directors, stated, "Ten years ago, when I joined the Board and Jonathan Ornstein and Mike Lotz joined Mesa, the Company had revenue of $423 million and had lost $54 million in the previous fiscal year. Since that time we have grown to over $1.4 billion in revenue, and since 9/11 earned operating profits on a pro-forma basis in 26 of 27 quarters, regained our partnership with United Airlines, formed a new partnership with Delta, added approximately 150 regional jets to our fleet, named Regional Airline of the Year in 2005 and provided unsurpassed job security and opportunity for our employees. All this was achieved during what has to have been the most difficult environment for airlines in history. The Board of Directors strongly believes that given the challenges the Company faces today it was important to demonstrate our support of management and to ensure the continuing services of Jonathan, Mike and Brian. We are similarly pleased that these members of our executive team have indicated their long term commitment to the Company by agreeing to extend the terms of their employment agreements for the additional three years."

"I am thankful to have had the opportunity to be part of the Mesa team for the past nine years. On behalf of Mike and Brian, I'd like to thank the Board for their support. I look forward to working with my Mesa co-workers in the coming years. While we face some significant challenges ahead -- this is nothing new to Mesa. I am confident that by working together we will continue to be successful," said Jonathan Ornstein.

Mesa currently operates 185 aircraft with over 1,100 daily system departures to 184 cities, 45 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, the Bahamas and Mexico. Mesa operates as Delta Connection, US Airways Express and United Express under contractual agreements with Delta Air Lines, US Airways and United Airlines, respectively, and independently as Mesa Airlines and go!. In June 2006 Mesa launched inter-island Hawaiian service as go!. This operation links Honolulu to the neighbor island airports of Hilo, Kahului, Kona and Lihue. The Company, founded by Larry and Janie Risley in New Mexico in 1982, has approximately 5,000 employees. Mesa is a member of the Regional Airline Association and Regional Aviation Partners.

This press release contains various forward-looking statements that are based on management's beliefs, as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to management. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable; it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Such statements are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those anticipated, estimated, projected or expected.
 

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