Should I leave Allegiant for Frontier

[Vegaspilot99]

Strike vote opens today. Check your email and vote!

 

[Mr Wu]

I know a former Allegiant captain who took recall to American Airlines after 9 years here. He wishes he never left. The grass isn't always greener. Give it a little time to see if the Teamsters can get the job done before jumping ship unless you get offered a dream job.

He's not sorry he left because of the job but because of the nature of the job.

 

[Gators]

Well...did you get the job? If so, did you leave? How was the interview at Frontier? Thx

 

[General Lee]

Don't make any big changes until after we know about the strike. This could turn out to be a good place. Allegiant was the most profitable airline in the entire world in 2013, #2 in 2012, behind only Copa. Management has a lot to lose with a strike.
I know a former Allegiant captain who took recall to American Airlines after 9 years here. He wishes he never left. The grass isn't always greener. Give it a little time to see if the Teamsters can get the job done before jumping ship unless you get offered a dream job.

Uhhhhhh, say what? Most profitable airline in "the entire World in 2013???"

Here is a synopsis of 2013 for Allegiant:


"Allegiant Travel Co, parent company of ultra-low cost carrier (ULCC) Allegiant Air, announced a fourth quarter 2013 net profit of $17.5 million, or 94 cents per diluted share on Wednesday. The Las Vegas based carrier also announced a 2013 annual net profit of $91.8 million, or $4.82 per diluted share. An increase in fares combined with decreases in fuel and maintenance costs were largely responsible for the 17% year-over-year (YOY) increase in profits over 2012."



The big 3 make three times that ($92 mil) PER MONTH, and DL and UA give profit sharing too.

My advice is to get some time at Allegiant and then apply to a legacy. Each has 5,000 plus retirements over the next decade, the contracts are getting better, and they treat you with more respect compared to your management. Move on to a carrier that will have upward movement and pays better with a variety of flying to boot. And one that doesn't give you $1 an hour per diem. Seriously??? $1 an hour? Come on now! Sheesh.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mr Wu]

The big 3 make three times that ($92 mil) PER MONTH, and DL and UA give profit sharing too.
Bye Bye---General Lee

I believe he was talking about margins. Big difference between spending $9 to make $10 and spending $499 to make $500. Now pish off back to the Delta and SWA threads.

 

[General Lee]

I believe he was talking about margins. Big difference between spending $9 to make $10 and spending $499 to make $500. Now pish off back to the Delta and SWA threads.

Thanks Jim Cramer! He's still incredibly wrong, and his airline has terrible pay, work rules, etc. Trying to convince anyone to go there or stay there is wrong. You should know that too, you fruitcake.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SAABaroowski]

STFU General Lee. Tool

 

[General Lee]

STFU General Lee. Tool

Are you Mr. Wu's brother? You're both fruitcakes.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jws717]

Build up some airbus PIC, apply to Delta, AA, UAL standby for them to call. Worst case if Allegiant fails you can get in at Blue, Spirit, Frontier or Virgin pretty quick.

 

[pilotyip]

Build up some airbus PIC, apply to Delta, AA, UAL standby for them to call. Worst case if Allegiant fails you can get in at Blue, Spirit, Frontier or Virgin pretty quick.

Speaking of failing, might not be teh time to go to Frontier. http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=2505910#post2505910

 

[Bolo]

Speaking of failing, might not be teh time to go to Frontier. http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=2505910#post2505910

Let me ask Pilotyip are around F9 day to day operations? What is really good about these forums is a lot of pilots talking about speculation and what ifs. I am pretty sure since I am around F9 that we are not failing. If your mind wants to believe it then more power to you.
I love guys like you knowing a lot about F9, Sunday Quarterbacking!

Is the airline in transition and somewhat dysfunctional? Yes! But is surely does not mean we are failing at all!

Has your airline ever been dysfunctional? I think I know the question to that one.

 

[pilotyip]

Let me ask Pilotyip are around F9 day to day operations? What is really good about these forums is a lot of pilots talking about speculation and what ifs. I am pretty sure since I am around F9 that we are not failing. If your mind wants to believe it then more power to you.
I love guys like you knowing a lot about F9, Sunday Quarterbacking!

Is the airline in transition and somewhat dysfunctional? Yes! But is surely does not mean we are failing at all!

Has your airline ever been dysfunctional? I think I know the question to that one.

Not my intent at all, just showing that there is another thread on F9 that someone who is think of leaving an airline for F9 should look at. Fits into the grass is greener syndrome. Like a guy in my reserve unit who left FedEx in 1978 for Braniff, or another buddy who left DAL for Pam Am in 1968 or left SWA in 2000 for the dream job at AAL.

 

[B190Captain]

Allegiant is a scumbag outfit. Pay is deplorable. Leave before it's too late.

 

[BRA]

Allegiant is a scumbag outfit. Pay is deplorable. Leave before it's too late.

Were you the one that used to work for Gulfstream?

 

[B190Captain]

Were you the one that used to work for Gulfstream?

Are you the one that currently works at Allegiant? I believe that has quite a bit more relevance. Besides, can you explain this?

From Allegiant @ airlinepilotcentral:

(Above pay is adjusted twice per year, part of 4-tier pay scale. Pay increases or decreases depending on the profitability of the company)

You get a pay cut if the company loses money ? You're kidding right?

 

[BRA]

Gulfstream everyone.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Uhhhhhh, say what? Most profitable airline in "the entire World in 2013???"

Here is a synopsis of 2013 for Allegiant:


"Allegiant Travel Co, parent company of ultra-low cost carrier (ULCC) Allegiant Air, announced a fourth quarter 2013 net profit of $17.5 million, or 94 cents per diluted share on Wednesday. The Las Vegas based carrier also announced a 2013 annual net profit of $91.8 million, or $4.82 per diluted share. An increase in fares combined with decreases in fuel and maintenance costs were largely responsible for the 17% year-over-year (YOY) increase in profits over 2012."



The big 3 make three times that ($92 mil) PER MONTH, and DL and UA give profit sharing too.

My advice is to get some time at Allegiant and then apply to a legacy. Each has 5,000 plus retirements over the next decade, the contracts are getting better, and they treat you with more respect compared to your management. Move on to a carrier that will have upward movement and pays better with a variety of flying to boot. And one that doesn't give you $1 an hour per diem. Seriously??? $1 an hour? Come on now! Sheesh.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Seriously? Profit by definition is the difference between income and expense if that number happens to be positive. What you are referring to is INCOME, not profit. Allegiant was the most PROFITABLE airline in the world in 2013.

In 2014 we dropped to #3 behind only Copa and Spirit. Here's the proof.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...ong-the-worlds-most-profitable-airlines.html/

 

[CRJDawg]

Seriously? Profit by definition is the difference between income and expense if that number happens to be positive. What you are referring to is INCOME, not profit. Allegiant was the most PROFITABLE airline in the world in 2013.

In 2014 we dropped to #3 behind only Copa and Spirit. Here's the proof.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...ong-the-worlds-most-profitable-airlines.html/

Part of that profit rest assured was made on your back. I mean 153 top pay for all AC is bad..really bad. Good luck to you if you strike.

 

[General Lee]

Seriously? Profit by definition is the difference between income and expense if that number happens to be positive. What you are referring to is INCOME, not profit. Allegiant was the most PROFITABLE airline in the world in 2013.

In 2014 we dropped to #3 behind only Copa and Spirit. Here's the proof.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...ong-the-worlds-most-profitable-airlines.html/

Wow, that's fantastic Jim Cramer.... They still treat their people like poop. Why anyone goes there is beyond me, unless they live in Sanford or Vegas.... And seriously, if they paid their people a competitive wage, they wouldn't be the most PROFITABLE airline in THE WORLD, and that's just sad. What's worse is that you've bought into their bad treatment as being something acceptable. That sux!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Part of that profit rest assured was made on your back. I mean 153 top pay for all AC is bad..really bad. Good luck to you if you strike.

This fact is definitely not lost on me. We are working hard to change this. Unfortunately we didn't have all the hard work of obtaining a first contract completed by previous generations, so it's going to take some time and a lot of effort from each of us.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Wow, that's fantastic Jim Cramer.... They still treat their people like poop. Why anyone goes there is beyond me, unless they live in Sanford or Vegas.... And seriously, if they paid their people a competitive wage, they wouldn't be the most PROFITABLE airline in THE WORLD, and that's just sad. What's worse is that you've bought into their bad treatment as being something acceptable. That sux!



Bye Bye---General Lee

Ha ha, you just can't get anything correct, that's hilarious! Actually I work actively to make this place better and to get a strong union contract. I am involved. Like I said before, we didn't have all the hard work done for us by previous generations of pilots like you did. But once we win our contract battle, this place could be a good place to work. Have fun trolling.

 

[General Lee]

Ha ha, you just can't get anything correct, that's hilarious! Actually I work actively to make this place better and to get a strong union contract. I am involved. Like I said before, we didn't have all the hard work done for us by previous generations of pilots like you did. But once we win our contract battle, this place could be a good place to work. Have fun trolling.

Good luck with that, seriously. It's time for you guys to be treated like professionals. Hopefully you'll get a contract that not only brings up your hourly rates to mirror your "most PROFITABLE airline in THE GALAXY" title, but also brings your per diem up to current "Regional" standards or better. And, let's hope your scope is cleaned up so Falcon Air can't take half your routes in PIE due to "training issues." Yeah, you guys have a lot of work ahead of you, and I wish you good luck.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

but also brings your per diem up to current "Regional" standards or better.


Bye Bye---General Lee

?????

 

[General Lee]

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$1 an hour per diem. Most Regionals have higher per diem than they do. Come on Red! These guys NEED to be treated like professionals, and they just aren't.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Thanks Jim Cramer! He's still incredibly wrong, and his airline has terrible pay, work rules, etc. Trying to convince anyone to go there or stay there is wrong. You should know that too, you fruitcake.


Bye Bye---General Lee

It still beats any of the Delta Connection airlines. Nothing like making one quarter of a Delta pilot's wage and then getting less of a food discount because "you are just a connection carrier"

 

[General Lee]

It still beats any of the Delta Connection airlines. Nothing like making one quarter of a Delta pilot's wage and then getting less of a food discount because "you are just a connection carrier"

Ok, then apply there, you are aware of the conditions. Go for it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mr Wu]

Ok, then apply there, you are aware of the conditions. Go for it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

It's great that you found a new cause to champion now that all's well with SWA. Nobody at Allegiant needs the shortcomings of the PWA pointed out to them, we live it every day. There is a fine 1550 post thread about the conditions here going on over at APC. You can go to bed happy that the general public is being made aware of what they have in store for them. Come on down to SFB on Feb 7th and you can support our efforts to make it better.

 

[IslandDriver]

I think it's funny that Delta makes so much money.....and what percentage of their US traffic is done by pilots that make less than what Alligiant pilots make.

Pulled into a city up north the other day and I counted at least 5 RJ's....damn some of them look almost as big as a DC9.

 

[General Lee]

I think it's funny that Delta makes so much money.....and what percentage of their US traffic is done by pilots that make less than what Alligiant pilots make.

Pulled into a city up north the other day and I counted at least 5 RJ's....damn some of them look almost as big as a DC9.

Uhhhhhh, ever heard of the 717? It's now being used to replace 70/76 seat RJs, which are replacing 50 seaters that have to leave (200+ are on the way out).

You see, I think most legacies are NOT having problems recruiting new pilots, but their regional feed airlines are. Knowing that, they are trying to buy smaller mainline planes (717s, 319s, etc) to fill in for those RJs. That's a good thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[IslandDriver]

I've heard of the 717. Even seen one.

I just wonder if Delta is going to like paying pilots double of what they pay now to move 70 people. (I know the 717 holds more)

The legacies, in my opinion, have taken advantage of the regional feed. It has helped their bottom line while giving food stamp wages to the pilots and flight attendants.