Should I leave Allegiant for Frontier

[CaptElmo]

I have been invited to interview with Frontier. If I am offered a job, I will seriously consider it, due to the current state of affairs at my current employer. I already have done research in this forum, and other forums about Frontier(pay, future plans and so forth). I welcome any input that can be offered in support, or against it. Thank you in advance!

 

[pilotyip]

You will know in 10 years if you made the right choice no matter what choice you make. Here is the way to solve the decision process, put both airline names on a pieces of paper, wad them up and throw both pieces of paper down a stair case, the one that goes the farthest is the one you should chose.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

You will know in 10 years if you made the right choice no matter what choice you make. Here is the way to solve the decision process, put both airline names on a pieces of paper, wad them up and throw both pieces of paper down a stair case, the one that goes the farthest is the one you should chose.

The problem is that the Allegiant paper wad will have a mechanical and most likely fall sideways through the railing bars. Go to Frontier.

 

[johnsonrod]

I agree with the F9 choice. Question: what is the upgrade time these days at F9?

 

[pilotyip]

The problem is that the Allegiant paper wad will have a mechanical and most likely fall sideways through the railing bars. Go to Frontier.

yep just like all the guys who bailed from FedEx for Brannif in 1978, all the guys who bailed from SWA for the dream job at DAL in 2000, and the Jet Blue guys who bailed for ATA in 2002

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

yep just like all the guys who bailed from FedEx for Brannif in 1978, all the guys who bailed from SWA for the dream job at DAL in 2000, and the Jet Blue guys who bailed for ATA in 2002

The difference in your example is that the management team at FedEx, SWA, and JetBlue were interested in making their companies long-term players providing a good quality product, not the flash-in-the-pan mentality that we see here from smug multi-millionaires who put themselves and shareholders above all else (especially safety). Apples and oranges.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Easy answer

Do you live in and plan to live in an Allegiant base long term: Then no
Do you live in a F9 base or plan to move to a F9 base: Then yes
Do you commute to either of the airlines bases and will long term: then who do you think will keep putting $$$ in your bank account the longest with the most time at home..

For every job. How can I spend the most time at home while making the most amount of $$$ for as long as possible. Answer that question for yourself and you will find your answer.

 

[Grandpa +65]

Spirit will buy Frontier , Then, you will be better...Good luck in Your final decision...

 

[RJslim]

I was flying with a guy the other night and he was telling me a story about when he was furloughed. He had received a call from the Assistant Chief Pilot asking if he would accept recall if he were called back. He had already taken another position with another outfit and was in the left seat making decent money. He ask the Assistant Chief what the future plans for the airline was because he didn't want to leave his current position just to be furloughed again. The Assistant Chief said the future looked bright but "no matter what you decided you will probably be making the wrong choice".

That's just aviation.

Good luck.

 

[Smarta$$]

I would say definitely Frontier.

 

[pilotyip]

Spirit will buy Frontier , Then, you will be better...Good luck in Your final decision...

Yea and FedEx will be buying JUS. Any decsion based upon what is going to happen in the future is wishful thinking.

 

[Bolo]

I have been invited to interview with Frontier. If I am offered a job, I will seriously consider it, due to the current state of affairs at my current employer. I already have done research in this forum, and other forums about Frontier(pay, future plans and so forth). I welcome any input that can be offered in support, or against it. Thank you in advance!

First of all you do not give us enough info. How long have you been at Allegiant for starters?

Do you commute or do you live in base? Where do you live and where would you like to end up? East coast,West coast Denver?
Is Allegiant a company you can stay with the rest of your career? Or is it a stepping stone for the 3 majors?

I work at F9 and have no desire to go anywhere else because of my circumstances(Captain, Older). I am very close to being on the back side of the power curve if I jumped ship.

Now for companies. If you were going to be stuck at one of them for some unfortunate reason(war in Middle East etc.) then my gut is telling me hands down F9. Again, without all of the other pertinent info. hard to tell you what to do.

 

[CaptElmo]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Do you guys have teamsters? If so there will be no strike?

 

[pilotyip]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

as per before you will know in ten years if you made the right choice no matter what choice you make,.

 

[Bolo]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

Now I have a better picture. This is a real hard one. If I were in your shoes, I would not leave G4 for any of these airlines(Frontier,Spirit,Jetblue, Virgin). You are kind of there now but on a lower level and I get your concerns but I would hold out only for the 3 majors and that is it. Ride the wave with G4, and start trying to work your angles with your buddies at these airlines. Now if you were an FO I say jump ship ASAP!
If you want to discuss F9 further, PM me your contact info. and I will be happy to talk to you.
Best of Luck!
BOLO

 

[General Lee]

as per before you will know in ten years if you made the right choice no matter what choice you make,.

5,000 retirements at each of the legacies means better choices are out there. Consolidation has created 4 large carriers (3 legacies), and lower oil will only increase wages, while those huge retirements can only help with upward movement and better QOL. There are also certain LCCs that seem to have a good strategy, like Spirit, JB, and Frontier. If they have a good strategy now, they will either grow on their own, or merge into a larger LCC.

Your advice seems to leave everything to chance, while not considering common sense.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mr Wu]

5,000 retirements at each of the legacies means better choices are out there. Consolidation has created 4 large carriers (3 legacies), and lower oil will only increase wages, while those huge retirements can only help with upward movement and better QOL. There are also certain LCCs that seem to have a good strategy, like Spirit, JB, and Frontier. If they have a good strategy now, they will either grow on their own, or merge into a larger LCC.

Your advice seems to leave everything to chance, while not considering common sense.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Hey General, looks like we will be flying to Atlanta soon. Why don't you tell Anderson to either buy us or hire all our pilots to teach that uppity Gallagher a lesson?

 

[CX880]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

Wow and you want to leave all that for frontier? Things must be bad there!!!!

 

[Joblu]

Get out of Allegiant. Scumbag outfit. You deserve better pay.

 

[Jim]

Get out of Allegiant. Scumbag outfit. You deserve better pay.

Exactly. Why would anyone want to stay at Allegiant?

I know a bunch of their current and former pilots. The only ones who stay or want to stay are those that for one reason or another are unemployable elsewhere.

 

[sniper]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

21 years at Delta will be 1.8 million dollar retirement
I don't get your thinking

 

[YT3000]

Hey General, looks like we will be flying to Atlanta soon. Why don't you tell Anderson to either buy us or hire all our pilots to teach that uppity Gallagher a lesson?

That would be fantastic. I keep hoping that one day they will discover that there are several hundred qualified willing pilots flying equivalent aircraft that would love to work there.

 

[YT3000]

21 years at Delta will be 1.8 million dollar retirement
I don't get your thinking

It would be great to get 21 years at Delta. Unfortunately we don't seem to attract the attention of Delta. We have had pilots leave for Alaska, SWA, United, US Air/American and Spirit. No one, not one person, has received a call from Delta. We have pilots with MD80 and A320 PIC time, college degrees, letters from current and past pilots, legacy applicants, and past Delta employees. Nothing so far seems to work, so understandably people are starting to look to make a lateral move, just to get out of here.

 

[YT3000]

Hello Bolo, I have been with G4 for the last seven years. I am a Bus captain and live in base. However, all of that considered, my main motivation to jump ship, like I stated when I started the discussion, is the operational problems, the maintenance issues, the scheduling issues, and a possible strike looming in the horizon. I have also considered Spirit, but no word from them yet. I don't know at this point if I want to go to a major(although I got about 21 years before retirement). Might sound like a difficult decision but I much rather make the sacrifice and lose seniority and the perk of living in base, rather than witnessing the self destruction of my current company.

I am with you. Fortunately in it's own ironic way, the low pay and crap work rules here make it no big loss to make a lateral move to a Frontier or Spirit. Even with 7 years in. It may seem strange to an outsider but it makes perfect sense to someone who has been here a while.

No one in the management here is interested in making this a place a career airline. Nothing over the last few years has gotten better. It only gets worse. Every other airline is making improvements and we in essence are taking concessions. I can't wait until the day my phone rings.

 

[crxpilot]

I am with you. Fortunately in it's own ironic way, the low pay and crap work rules here make it no big loss to make a lateral move to a Frontier or Spirit. Even with 7 years in. It may seem strange to an outsider but it makes perfect sense to someone who has been here a while.

No one in the management here is interested in making this a place a career airline. Nothing over the last few years has gotten better. It only gets worse. Every other airline is making improvements and we in essence are taking concessions. I can't wait until the day my phone rings.

Someday MG is gonna want to cash out and go away. And it wont be by just selling his stock. He will either buy someone, or be bought, and take the big payout that goes with it. That's what mergers are about. Its not about the consumer or work groups. So with all these Airbuses being brought online, its gonna make it palatable to someone outside of Allegiant at some point. And then everything will change. For better or worse is the question. Just keep that in mind.

 

[pilotyip]

I am with you. Fortunately in it's own ironic way, the low pay and crap work rules here make it no big loss to make a lateral move to a Frontier or Spirit. Even with 7 years in. It may seem strange to an outsider but it makes perfect sense to someone who has been here a while.

No one in the management here is interested in making this a place a career airline. Nothing over the last few years has gotten better. It only gets worse. Every other airline is making improvements and we in essence are taking concessions. I can't wait until the day my phone rings.

I remember guys bailing from Spirit in droves in the late 90's because it was a dead end job. Then a new owner came along, $7 fares, seat that don't recline and baggage fees and wam, a growing airline with 3 year upgrades.

 

[YT3000]

I remember guys bailing from Spirit in droves in the late 90's because it was a dead end job. Then a new owner came along, $7 fares, seat that don't recline and baggage fees and wam, a growing airline with 3 year upgrades.

It is all a gamble, that's for sure. Someone probably left Spirit in the 90's for Southwest and is in good shape now. Someone probably left for Skybus and is in bad shape now. It is all a risk. You could leave here for Frontier and wind up stapled below your current FO's in some crazy merger, or maybe everyone here would wind up stapled below you. You just never know. For some people it is worth the gamble. I don't think anyone here could go wrong with any of the big 3 though.

 

[Narco-leftseat]

Boo-Hoo ... A strike

Quit Boo-Hooing over a possible strike.

Why don't you man up and help the cause ?

Get on a committee, educate the masses on our position and our strengths.

I am watching pilots leave this place (G4) for Spirit where the brave men and women already took a stand to carve out some benefits for themselves.

There is no reason why we can't leap frog Spirit's first contract considering our financial health , attrition, and the economy.

Pick up the phone, call the Teamsters and ask " What can I do.?"

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Don't make any big changes until after we know about the strike. This could turn out to be a good place. Allegiant was the most profitable airline in the entire world in 2013, #2 in 2012, behind only Copa. Management has a lot to lose with a strike.
I know a former Allegiant captain who took recall to American Airlines after 9 years here. He wishes he never left. The grass isn't always greener. Give it a little time to see if the Teamsters can get the job done before jumping ship unless you get offered a dream job.