Seniority list at the new AA?

[macdu]

I am so going to enjoy watching this from the outside looking in.

 

[SkyNation]

how long for a newhire at Airways today to get to PHX, assuming all these fences and mumbo jumbo? guesses?

 

[General Lee]

But you are.
How's Mom's Meatloaf?

Mom, the meatloaf! Thanks for reminding me of that line. Hilarious. As far as starting a fight, I initially just posted something stated by the APA. Some people want to know what they might be thinking. Some don't want to bring it up, and instead slam. I may be trying to be less offensive, but I still will give my opinions, and I won't be a pushover.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Lampshade]

The jury is still out on this.....

Since the Nic list would have been part of the JCBA between East and West, and since there never was a JCBA between the two, and the MOU states that any and all contracts and agreements prior to the MOU between APA and USAPA are null and void, it is possible on another starting point.

Of course, the West will sue. The hard part will be figuring out who was harmed and who was not. Lets not forget that 25% of the flying the West does is East flying because the West lost their Vegas hub.

A350

The MTA is a dozen pages or so and it replaces certain parts of the east/west contracts. Reading comprehension is weak in east domiciles, the full language is below.


4. It is the intent of the Parties that, as of the Effective Date, the terms and conditions of employment for pilots employed by New American Airlines and US Airways will be set by the MTA (as defined in Paragraph 1(a)) and in accordance with the process specified herein. The Parties further understand, however, that it will take some period of time for those terms to be implemented. Accordingly, except for those terms specifically identified in Paragraph 3, the Parties agree that each term of the MTA shall be applicable to all US Airways pilots at the earliest practicable time for each such term, and such terms, when applicable, shall govern and displace any conflicting or wholly or partially inconsistent provision of the former US Airways pilot agreements or the status quo arising thereunder. Once the MTA has been fully implemented, it shall fully displace and render a nullity any prior collective bargaining agreements applicable to US Airways pilots and any status quo arising thereunder.

 

[Jar Jar]

New AA SLI:
1)America West
2)AA
3)US East
4)Eagle
5)Third Listers
6)Piedmont's PHL bus drivers
7)TWA

 

[Deadalus]

Not according to the APA statement, and they have more members than USAPA..... Ooooooops! Add the Westies, and that is called a "Majority."



Bye Bye---General Lee

My guess would be relative or some form of ratio with fences for WBs. Are those idiots out east still trying for DOH?

 

[kj6991]

I'm a new-hire. I'm a third-lister. I'm not involved in that fight. Nice try, though. That is, of course, the XJT MEC did something that I'm unaware of.

Where you in the Jan 28 class and former Co-ex?

 

[captfred]

My guess would be relative or some form of ratio with fences for WBs. Are those idiots out east still trying for DOH?

That would be a yes.

 

[General Lee]

My guess would be relative or some form of ratio with fences for WBs. Are those idiots out east still trying for DOH?

I think that is what the APA wants. Here is the statement again:


"We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute."



Unfortunately for the East guys, I think the NIC award will probably be the list US will HAVE TO USE. It's called binding arbitration. If you accept it, you then should accept the award. Even the last judge seemed to state that.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[charlie2]

The jury is still out on this.....

Since the Nic list would have been part of the JCBA between East and West, and since there never was a JCBA between the two, and the MOU states that any and all contracts and agreements prior to the MOU between APA and USAPA are null and void, it is possible on another starting point.

Of course, the West will sue. The hard part will be figuring out who was harmed and who was not. Lets not forget that 25% of the flying the West does is East flying because the West lost their Vegas hub.

A350

Field Marshall Lee hasn't responded to this. Why?

 

[LearLove]

New AA SLI:
1)America West
2)AA
3)US East
4)Eagle
5)Third Listers

6)Piedmont's PHL bus drivers

7)TWA

That cobus 3000 is one fine machine. Have you seen the size of the drivers cockpit. Is that a biddable position.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrac_Cobus

 

[Jim]

Field Marshall Lee hasn't responded to this. Why?

Because the USAirways East and USAPA lack of integrity affect every airline pilot.

 

[General Lee]

Field Marshall Lee hasn't responded to this. Why?

Charlie,

This is so 3rd Grade. Don't go back on a promise. Your group accepted binding arbitration. When you do that, you have to accept the award. You know that. Quit dancing around the issue. Your group's action will make EVERYONE pause when thinking about this in the future, whether or not the "other guy" will pull a "USAir East" and say "sorry, our fingers were crossed!"


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[charlie2]

Charlie,

This is so 3rd Grade. Don't go back on a promise. Your group accepted binding arbitration. When you do that, you have to accept the award. You know that. Quit dancing around the issue. Your group's action will make EVERYONE pause when thinking about this in the future, whether or not the "other guy" will pull a "USAir East" and say "sorry, our fingers were crossed!"


Bye Bye---General Lee

You still haven't responded to A350.

 

[Carl S.]

AAA pilots still dreaming of a do over since AWA/AAA did not get a JCBA while waiting on AA. The NIC. is still there waiting for a JCBA to go into effect or DFR II is on once again and ripeness will not be an issue this time. The MOU does not give USAPA a free pass to start over once again, LCC is still part of the hybrid DFR claim and the courts should get this settled by years end. The nightmare of USAPA and DOH uber alles will soon be a thing of the past...