Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[BeCareful!]

The people appointed to that committee are the best ones for the job. Their hire date has nothing to do with anything. As far as progress, the company and outside circumstances have a lot to do with that.

 

[vetrider]

Outside circumstances such as the east's titty baby hissy fit.

 

[St. Nic]

The people appointed to that committee are the best ones for the job. Their hire date has nothing to do with anything. As far as progress, the company and outside circumstances have a lot to do with that.

and they were all hired BEFORE most of the west pilots! That is a FACT a lot on the west like to forget about (conveniently). God it is amazing the how self cetnered some pilots can be, but that is the PFT generation! AWA was just a step above MESA.
Now that's it, I m done with this stupid thread. I can;t believe it is still alive, but Im not surprised with a bunch of west pilots hanging around here. Gotta get your digs in some how... Becuase the 9th sure isnt listening to your sorry a$$ whining. NIC is dead!!!

 

[vetrider]

and they were all hired BEFORE most of the west pilots! That is a FACT a lot on the west like to forget about (conveniently). God it is amazing the how self cetnered some pilots can be, but that is the PFT generation! AWA was just a step above MESA.
Now that's it, I m done with this stupid thread. I can;t believe it is still alive, but Im not surprised with a bunch of west pilots hanging around here. Gotta get your digs in some how... Becuase the 9th sure isnt listening to your sorry a$$ whining. NIC is dead!!!

Sure it is JJ.

 

[St. Nic]

What is JJ? You got your facts wrong bud, just like Nic and Wake and AOL. YOur ship is sinking LOL

 

[vetrider]

What is JJ? You got your facts wrong bud, just like Nic and Wake and AOL. YOur ship is sinking LOL

You guys can't even get out of your own way.

 

[sniper]

and they were all hired BEFORE most of the west pilots! That is a FACT a lot on the west like to forget about (conveniently). God it is amazing the how self cetnered some pilots can be, but that is the PFT generation! AWA was just a step above MESA.
Now that's it, I m done with this stupid thread. I can;t believe it is still alive, but Im not surprised with a bunch of west pilots hanging around here. Gotta get your digs in some how... Becuase the 9th sure isnt listening to your sorry a$$ whining. NIC is dead!!!

And some of your leadership were freedom A listers.

Mesa furloughs should fly all of your A330s since you cant get a contract, pay back is a b----

 

[Cowboy75]

and they were all hired BEFORE most of the west pilots! That is a FACT a lot on the west like to forget about (conveniently). God it is amazing the how self cetnered some pilots can be, but that is the PFT generation! AWA was just a step above MESA.
Now that's it, I m done with this stupid thread. I can;t believe it is still alive, but Im not surprised with a bunch of west pilots hanging around here. Gotta get your digs in some how... Becuase the 9th sure isnt listening to your sorry a$$ whining. NIC is dead!!!

Your airline was like the bum of the industry that Parker decided to rescue and bring to our house. You claim that America West pilots are taking something from you? America West pilots owe us air pilots nothing, nada, zip.

You'll never convince anybody of your lies and deception that us air came to Tempe and saved America West.

Go ahead, run around and claim that the 9th gave you a victory. Our plans are to drag your butts back into court as long as it takes until you understand the concept of binding arbitration.

Comprende amigo?

 

[St. Nic]

Your airline was like the bum of the industry that Parker decided to rescue and bring to our house. You claim that America West pilots are taking something from you? America West pilots owe us air pilots nothing, nada, zip.

You'll never convince anybody of your lies and deception that us air came to Tempe and saved America West.

Go ahead, run around and claim that the 9th gave you a victory. Our plans are to drag your butts back into court as long as it takes until you understand the concept of binding arbitration.

Comprende amigo?

You don't have a case! Listen to what Seham says, listed to what the 9th says, listen to what Parker says in the crew news sessions! Your case is finished, over, kaput, done! Im not going to debate this with you but I find it interesting how a bunch of you west pilots come on this wild west rules forum and post all this garbage and NOBODY else even reads the threads, let alone agrees with your side. The only people agreeing with you are your fellow westies!

 

[get2flyin]

You don't have a case (says the angry Eastie)! Listen to what Seham says,(why would ANYBODY listen to that ambulance chaser?) listed to what the 9th says (what they SAID or what USAPA spun from what they said?), listen to what Parker says in the crew news sessions (the East pilots have misinterpreted most of his quotes as well) ! Your case is finished, over, kaput, done! (LOL, the West pilots are willing to bet their career on the fact that it isn't, are you?) Im not going to debate this with you (and yet you repeatedly attempt to) but I find it interesting how a bunch of you (W)est pilots come on this wild west rules forum and post all this garbage and NOBODY else even reads the threads (except you, evidently), let alone agrees with your side (well thanks so much for trying to set them straight). The only people agreeing with you are your fellow (W)esties (and people from other airlines, but what do they know?)!

There, I fixed it.

 

[Cowboy75]

You don't have a case! Listen to what Seham says, listed to what the 9th says, listen to what Parker says in the crew news sessions! Your case is finished, over, kaput, done! Im not going to debate this with you but I find it interesting how a bunch of you west pilots come on this wild west rules forum and post all this garbage and NOBODY else even reads the threads, let alone agrees with your side. The only people agreeing with you are your fellow westies!

12,000 hits. Yup, nobody reads the threads.

Nope, I dont listen to your lawyer. I don't bow down to your great leader either or kiss his ring. He can kiss my a##!

 

[say again]

You don't have a case! Listen to what Seham says, listed to what the 9th says, listen to what Parker says in the crew news sessions! Your case is finished, over, kaput, done! Im not going to debate this with you but I find it interesting how a bunch of you west pilots come on this wild west rules forum and post all this garbage and NOBODY else even reads the threads, let alone agrees with your side. The only people agreeing with you are your fellow westies!

This confirms the fool you are. Then again, every post you write confirms it.

 

[Cowboy75]

Parched coffers (View from the East, pack your bags, USAPA)

“This "anti-raid" clause will strengthen our support against any organization who might seek to dislodge your union for nefarious purposes, including the well-known efforts by the previous bargaining agent who is distraught that your dues money no longer fills their parched coffers.”
-USAPA President Mike Cleary

There is nothing like reading a Labor Day message from a union president filled with fear that a competitive organization will use a democratic process to replace our current bargaining agent. It appears that after 2 1/2 years of utter failure, Mr. Cleary recognizes that USAPA’s days are in fact numbered. We do not know enough about the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) to judge whether this new alliance will be beneficial to the US Airways pilots. What we do know about the IBT, however, is that they are an actual union committed to the labor movement. They probably would not take kindly to a union president who harbors a known union buster or one that leads with a dictatorial style. The Teamsters are about unity, something USAPA is most definitely not.
Our inside sources have confirmed that Mr. Cleary’s new alliance with the IBT arose out of his need to 1) squash a coming ALPA card drive and 2) use their influence to get to a 30 day cooling off period.
He is truly delusional if he believes either of these tactics will be effective.
Just as the Charlotte representatives recently reminded us in their update that we live in America and any one can sue, we would like to remind them that that same freedom applies to a union representational drive. If a grassroots effort initiates a legal card drive to oust USAPA and the majority of US Airways sign cards, there is nothing USAPA or the IBT can do to stop an election. As much as he would like to, Mr. Cleary cannot escape the reality of the democratic world that exists outside his shame organization. A card drive will arise from the strength of the average line pilot, not an imagined dues hungry boogie man. It should be pointed out that USAPA taxes its members more than any other airline union.
As we stated above, Mr. Cleary believes he can capitalize on the political influence of the Teamsters to get to a 30 day cooling off period. This tactic is probably more laughable than his attempt to block a democratic card drive. The west pilots comprise roughly 40% of the combined pilot group. A substantial number of east pilots choose not to be USAPA members or maintain accounts in bad standing. A strike vote by the Union would be an embarrassing event. Most experts agree that a unity vote north of 95% is needed to successfully petition the NMB. USAPA would be lucky if it could garner a simple majority. There is absolutely nothing the IBT can do for Mr. Cleary to fix this math problem.
When your next dues statement arrives or you write your next assessment check for the investigation du jour, contemplate the sheer amount of your money filling Mr. Cleary’s and Mr. Seham’s parched coffers. They are willing to stop at nothing to ensure that their gravy train never stops rolling. What we do know is that there will never be a strike under USAPA and Mr. Cleary cannot stop the true power of democracy.

 

[Deadalus]

You don't have a case! Listen to what Seham says, listed to what the 9th says, listen to what Parker says in the crew news sessions! Your case is finished, over, kaput, done! Im not going to debate this with you but I find it interesting how a bunch of you west pilots come on this wild west rules forum and post all this garbage and NOBODY else even reads the threads, let alone agrees with your side. The only people agreeing with you are your fellow westies!

Are you really this dumb.
#1 Seham is taking you to the cleaners.
#2 Parker asked the courts to clarify, because his lawyers are well aware that the ninth didn't say USAPA can negotiate DOH.
#3 Did you read what the 9th said? If you get a contract with DOH the DFR is ripe.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Why is this so difficult? US Air has 2.8 times as many pilots as AWA. For every 2.8 USAir seniority numbers, insert one AWA seniority number. Round up on the .5's. Everybody keeps their relative seniority and mosat keep their position. Those who were in the top 10% still are and those in the bottom 10% still are, thus preserving everybody's career expectations before the merger happened.

I know all the USAir pilots want their seniority advantage back, but I'm also sure the AWA pilots want their financial advantage back, so compromise.