Senate, House Agree to Sixfold Boost in Airline Pilots' Flight Experience

[CFI2766]

Here is what they do in other jobs.

Hey are you a qualified pilot with 1500hrs? We will give you a signing bonus of $10000. We are forgoing first year pay and will start you as a second year. Moving expenses and a housing allowance will also be included. We are really desperate are you sure you don't want to leave Great lakes, Colgan, etc...

If any one part of the list gets a bonus, the entire list should get a bonus. That's the way it should work. Why not just redo all of our sections on pay/compensation?

 

[Bruno82]

We'll have to have another crash for crew duty and rest regs to improve.

 

[Skippy]

We'll have to have another crash for crew duty and rest regs to improve.

and there will be

 

[waka]

I am for this. However, don't be too quick to judge those that are building experience and lamenting this legislation. The opportunities that many of us had for building time aren't nearly as available to today's greenhorns.

Instructing-Student starts are wayyyyy down. Understandably so, people have learned that this career track has put many in the poor house and no longer find it financially viable.

It's much harder to build time, let alone, find a job. There's even some outfit that the CFI's only pay is room and board. Flight schools are no longer begging for instructors.

Flying Checks-Due to Check 21, we all know that industry is severely diminished and its days are numbered.

135 Freight- The just-in-time delivery, i.e. how auto plants stocked parts is no longer their philosophy. They're much more efficient because they have to be. The golden age of the mid/late nineties flying of auto parts is long gone.

135 Pax- Way down

Fracs - The bubble has popped.

People will find ways to build time (some will outright buy the hours in block time.) It is just that it is going to be much, MUCH more difficult than when (the 90's) I was building time....especially if you want to build experience AND get paid to do it.

 

[livin'thesim]

A deeply diminished supply of pilots is exactly what we need.

Personally, I think you should have to pass the ATP and type ride to work at a regional.

 

[Pasturepilot]

Let's not forget that the concept of building experience flying charter is completely shattered by retired mainline guys who planned poorly and lost their pensions.

 

[Lynxman]

I don't care who you are you're going to at least be buying some multi time if you want in.

 

[waka]

I don't care who you are you're going to at least be buying some multi time if you want in.

That's a bit of a catch 22 in the context of the law of diminishing returns. The "intent" of this legislation is to increase safety through setting a minimum standard of experience that is measured purely in logged hours. Any Bozo can buy block time. Flying when you want to versus flying when you have to are completely different levels of experience.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

No I wan't in a jet now! I earned it.

If you fly the same as when I flew with ya....nah...




Muhahahaha

 

[BornAgainPagan]

That's a bit of a catch 22 in the context of the law of diminishing returns. The "intent" of this legislation is to increase safety through setting a minimum standard of experience that is measured purely in logged hours. Any Bozo can buy block time. Flying when you want to versus flying when you have to are completely different levels of experience.

Good point. There is significant difference between 1 hour flown 1500 times vs. 1500 hours. I don't think that this fact was given much thought by the activists and congressmen.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Good point. There is significant difference between 1 hour flown 1500 times vs. 1500 hours. I don't think that this fact was given much thought by the activists and congressmen.

Yep. Those of you applauding this legislation better hope you aren't at a regional that is not financially able or willing to attract candidates when the going gets tough. This rule is going to put some out of business.

 

[DGdaPilot]

It's not a bad thing for us, it's bad for the airlines. When there's mass movement, as there will be again, they won't be able to find pilots. The only way there were somewhat able to fill classes during movement cycles was by lowering minimums. Add in the fact that not many students out there are flying, there will be a mass shortage of qualified pilots. How the FAA expects people to find people with 1500 in the future is beyond me when there are no people flying. Maybe it's a sign for you people out there to look for another profession. people

I am hoping for an exemption for people coming out of accredited universites (ie: UND, SIU, Purdue, yes even Riddle...).

If there isn't one, the airlines will be hiring from overseas when the next pilot boom starts. That's something none of us want.

 

[OPECJet]

I am hoping for an exemption for people coming out of accredited universites (ie: UND, SIU, Purdue, yes even Riddle...).

If there isn't one, the airlines will be hiring from overseas when the next pilot boom starts. That's something none of us want.

That exemption you speak of would enable pilot hiring to remain status quo.

As best I can tell, the overseas companies are hiring US pilots because of our current surplus and their deficit.

FWIW, frac bubble bursting or not, I can't think of any that would hire with less than 2500TT and an ATP. At least in recent times.

 

[livin'thesim]

If there was some sort of way to measure meaningful experience, that would be good.

Absent some other means, the 1500 hour requirement is as good as any.
Clearly, the regionals hired some very incompetent individuals, and they made a place at the table for the marginally-trained Gulfstreamers with predictable results.

There will be a few very wealthy people who can PFT their way to the new requirement, but most will have to get some sort of real experience.

 

[BoilerUP]

FWIW, frac bubble bursting or not, I can't think of any that would hire with less than 2500TT and an ATP. At least in recent times.

Planesense hired more than a few FOs who didn't have ATP minimums, and I think Avantair may have hired a couple sub-1500hr folks as well.

That said, neither of those are time-building jobs for a regional airline.