Scab List is Real

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'd rather die piss poor but with my backbone intact than die as a rich scab.

Be careful... you might get called a socialist. Free market fundamentals say unions and artifical market barriers such as CBAs are socialist......

 

[pilotyip]

Hey stop that!

Most pilots listed (CAL, UAL) are now in good standing with ALPA. Most are Widebody captains and have never missed a paycheck. The best thing these guys did was to cross. Not like many USAIR East pilots who stuck it out and are now paying the price thanks to ALPA and its screwed way to run a so called Union.

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This is FI, we do not deal in reality on this site, only wishfull think that unions can control all outcomes.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is FI, we do not deal in reality on this site, only wishfull think that unions can control all outcomes.

What do you mean at UAL? CAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA because the in house union at CAL allowed the scabs to be in good standing. So when CAL in house merged with ALPA, ALPA by law had to accept all members in good standing. Are you suggesting that ALPA break the law?

For the scabs from the UAL strike in 1985..... I wasn't aware they were in good standing....

Also, thanks for your clarification on strike breaking... nice to know where you stand..... you'd take the food out of your fellow Americans childrens mouth for yourself.....

 

[Tristar]

Clay Lacy is a scab, and he is doing pretty well.

And Murray Smith's retarded gay lover too! Clay Lacy is dog$---.

 

[sunlitpath]

A guy that I worked with a few jobs ago was an Eastern scab. He freely admitted it to me. He was very careful about the media and printing his name on company advertisements because he was concerned about retaliation for his scab status. I thought he was paranoid. I do not think he is paranoid any more. I would never personally cross a picket line anyway, list or no list. Those who would do so in the future should be aware of entities that will record their actions. That is why I started this thread. It is not intended to perpetuate the misery of individuals on the list. It is intended to share a discovery I made regarding the veracity and existence of these types of documents.

 

[pilotyip]

Also, thanks for your clarification on strike breaking... nice to know where you stand..... you'd take the food out of your fellow Americans childrens mouth for yourself.....

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families. And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay. Again the senior guys look out for #1 first. BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

 

[PCL_128]

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families.

The B-Scale was born in the mind of Bob Crandall, a management puke like yourself. It was not the invention of a union. The APA accepted it as a temporary measure under duress, and as you can see, it was eliminated. After it was accepted at AMR, pressure was on other major airline pilot groups to do the same, and some of them did. But, again, they have been eliminated.

And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay.

When scope exceptions first started several decades ago, it was to outsource flying that a mainline carrier would simply never do (19-seat turboprops or piston props). If the exception wasn't carved out, then the flying would simply never get done, and the revenue would never be realized by the mainline carrier. Up until bankruptcy early in this decade, scope protections were still very strong. Even the carrier with the loosest scope (DAL) still had strict limits to 50 seats, except for allowing a maximum of 57 70-seaters. The big changes didn't happen until bankruptcy. When faced with 1113(c) filings, the pilots had little choice.

BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

People who brag about giving to charities are usually lowlifes. Truly generous people don't talk about their charitable contributions.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families.

That was something the APA pilots accepted. Dick Ferris thought it was a great idea and tried to impose it on the UAL guys. The ALPA UAL pilots, struck over that and won the fight.

http://www.fracpilot.com/fromwoodenwings.pdf

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay. Again the senior guys look out for #1 first. BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

Again, don't try and make this into an internal union pilot vs union pilot issue. This is about you admitting that you'd scab. Again with your perverted sense of citizenship.... you'll cross a picket line and screw over a regional FO, then claim that you give 5 figures to charities making you better than a regional FO. If you didn't screw over FOs maybe they'd have more money to give....

Why not give to the profession? Too socialist for you?

Let's be clear what we are talking about....

Ode to a Scab ​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a SCAB. A SCAB is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-logged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When a SCAB comes down the street, men turn their back and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to SCAB as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a SCAB. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A SCAB HASN’T![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern STRIKE-breaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-Jack London[/FONT]​

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[pilotyip]

Again, don't try and make this into an internal union pilot vs union pilot issue. This is about you admitting that you'd scab. Again with your perverted sense of citizenship.... you'll cross a picket line and screw over a regional FO, then claim that you give 5 figures to charities making you better than a regional FO. If you didn't screw over FOs maybe they'd have more money to give....
Why not give to the profession? Too socialist for you?
Let's be clear what we are talking about....

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The seventh circle of hell, Angels weeping, kids dying of starvation,... boy the sh!t is getting deep in here!

 

[Kalifornia]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

So in your infinite wisdom, you "I did, I donated, I have seen, I have helped, I am the they wish to have beer with I, I, I, I, I. ". Isn't that a joke? How many people have you private messaged on this board with a full account of your career travails? This post ending just evidences a bizarre bitterness that has lead you into a management position with a dementia condition bent on demonizing of the profession pilot with the likes of "high school drop-outs" do perfectly fine flying airplanes.

 

[sunlitpath]

Through my research on this issue, I have arrived at a few basic conclusions. I think it is safe to say that being a scab is bad thing, and the potential for bad things to happen to a scab is significantly greater than if one were not scab. Regardless of the consequences of scabbing, there is a great selfishness and indifference to the collective good and the collective will when one partakes in scabbing. Personally speaking, my distaste for scabs was founded at an early age. After reading John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath and In Dubious Battle, there was no going back on the issue of labor solidarity.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

You are good at sandbaggin'

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

 

[LazyLightnin']

All of this because some guy didn't know the scab list was real.

 

[Nindiri]

Oh, I think he knew it was real. He's been having great fun getting some of the more intense members here fired up. :laugh: