Scab List is Real

[Kalifornia]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

So in your infinite wisdom, you "I did, I donated, I have seen, I have helped, I am the they wish to have beer with I, I, I, I, I. ". Isn't that a joke? How many people have you private messaged on this board with a full account of your career travails? This post ending just evidences a bizarre bitterness that has lead you into a management position with a dementia condition bent on demonizing of the profession pilot with the likes of "high school drop-outs" do perfectly fine flying airplanes.

 

[sunlitpath]

Through my research on this issue, I have arrived at a few basic conclusions. I think it is safe to say that being a scab is bad thing, and the potential for bad things to happen to a scab is significantly greater than if one were not scab. Regardless of the consequences of scabbing, there is a great selfishness and indifference to the collective good and the collective will when one partakes in scabbing. Personally speaking, my distaste for scabs was founded at an early age. After reading John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath and In Dubious Battle, there was no going back on the issue of labor solidarity.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

You are good at sandbaggin'

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

 

[LazyLightnin']

All of this because some guy didn't know the scab list was real.

 

[Nindiri]

Oh, I think he knew it was real. He's been having great fun getting some of the more intense members here fired up. :laugh:

 

[CX880]

The problem withe the SCAB word is that it's been dumbed down the last decade or so. There's so much bottom feeding going on, one airline management is trying to outdo the next. It should be reserved for actual airline strike breakers not for Skywest or RAH pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

You are good at sandbaggin'

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

not me? I did not post that. I only responded to another post, I knew CAL guys were dues paying members of ALPA, but was unsure about UAL.

 

[Mr. Bean]

I've been in aviation and non-aviation unions. I know two things:

Solidarity is a union's strength, and if they can't gain it by consensus, they've got no problems with coercion.

I've seen enough of unions (and management) to know that I won't judge a man for following his conscience. All are welcome on my jumpseat.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

not me? I did not post that. I only responded to another post, I knew CAL guys were dues paying members of ALPA, but was unsure about UAL.

Negative, you approved of the statement....... making it your own.

If you are not sure of something why do you lead others to believe you know what you are talking about....

Just to be clear on CAL... the in house CAL union accepted the scabs as members in good standing. When ALPA took CAL pilots back, by law they had to accept all pilots in good standing, thus the scabs. If there is a scab freindly union it is the old in house CAL and the old NPA union. Not ALPA. Understood and clear? Yes or no.


As far as UAL... no scabs from the UAL strike on the UAL list are in good standing at ALPA. If you know differently advise or stand down.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I've been in aviation and non-aviation unions. I know two things:

Solidarity is a union's strength, and if they can't gain it by consensus, they've got no problems with coercion.

I've seen enough of unions (and management) to know that I won't judge a man for following his conscience. All are welcome on my jumpseat.

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

 

[say again]

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

Sports, women, how crappy of a schedule they got, etc. etc. Why would this concern you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sports, women, how crappy of a schedule they got, etc. etc. Why would this concern you?

Not a concern. I just wondered what one would say to a scab, especially for hours in a fixed closed, locked compartment....... What would you talk about? fair labor practices?

 

[say again]

Not a concern. I just wondered what one would say to a scab, especially for hours in a fixed closed, locked compartment....... What would you talk about? fair labor practices?

I gotcha. Personally, I wouldnt have a scab ride the jumpseat, so i guess I cant honestly answer that for ya.

 

[Top Gum]

This may be an informative thread for folks that are new to this business and have decisions to make in their future. Scab lists are VERY real in all areas of aviation. I remember in the mid 90’s at a previous airline when we had aircraft that were experiencing problems with repeated write-ups. Mid-level management loaded belly compartments with every associated part in the stock room just for the EAL scab mechanics to have a thanksgiving weekend full of brutal work. It was salary work too!

Some of the other harshness that I’ve noticed over the years includes issues with check rides, scheduling torture, denied promotions and performance appraisal issues. I’ve never noticed this to be an act on the part of the airline. It’s always been from employees that are in an authority position. It goes very unnoticed and almost impossible to prove. Those in the know are very good at what they do and simply pass a smile to one another.

 

[Tristar]

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

I'm guessing which brand of knee pads work best.

 

[sunlitpath]

Oh, I think he knew it was real. He's been having great fun getting some of the more intense members here fired up. :laugh:

No, I sincerely did not know that such a master scab list was real, because I had never seen it. I tend to be skeptical. When I found this list online, I was a little shocked. I actually found it by accident. I was looking up an old co-worker from a few jobs ago, and the list came up in the google search. The guy was an Eastern scab. He is now elderly. I always thought that small groups might keep their own scab list for a particular company or one union, but this comprehensive Master Scab List is quite incredible, and as I now know; quite real. I understand why pilots get emotional and passionate on this subject. It really hurts when you initiate a group labor action and put it all on the line, only to have a few weak ones wreck the whole thing. I can imagine that it must be utterly gut wrenching. It is something I will never do. I will never be a scab.

 

[DC8Driver]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

ALPA is f^cked up. Would I cross a picket line? probably not, but I'm not blindly following a union that has done nothing but screw me since I became a member.

ALPA is not about you or me, it's about ALPA. The members of ALPA who work on safety issues have my respect and admiration. The union leadership doesn't. Your leader now is a bafoon. The one before was a thief. That's my opinion..............

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

ALPA is f^cked up. Would I cross a picket line? probably not, but I'm not blindly following a union that has done nothing but screw me since I became a member.

ALPA is not about you or me, it's about ALPA. The members of ALPA who work on safety issues have my respect and admiration. The union leadership doesn't. Your leader now is a bafoon. The one before was a thief. That's my opinion..............

How do you justify Capt. pay so early in employment? The rest of the pilots earned Capt pay only when they went thru the seniority list.

Did ALPA want the difference in his salary or the difference in SO dues vs Capt dues?

 

[DC8Driver]

How do you justify Capt. pay so early in employment? The rest of the pilots earned Capt pay only when they went thru the seniority list.

Did ALPA want the difference in his salary or the difference in SO dues vs Capt dues?

1.) Justify? To who? He was hired by UAL. They "Justified it"

2.) You should know you pay a percentage of what you make, not what the union thinks your making.

3.) They wanted the difference in PAY.

4.) I would have told them "No" also.

 

[XShuttle]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

He lied to you he is a fleet qual. scab!

There are a hand full of scabs at United that are in good standing at ALPA the vast majority are not and are treated accordingly.