Scab List is Real

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'd rather die piss poor but with my backbone intact than die as a rich scab.

Be careful... you might get called a socialist. Free market fundamentals say unions and artifical market barriers such as CBAs are socialist......

 

[pilotyip]

Hey stop that!

Most pilots listed (CAL, UAL) are now in good standing with ALPA. Most are Widebody captains and have never missed a paycheck. The best thing these guys did was to cross. Not like many USAIR East pilots who stuck it out and are now paying the price thanks to ALPA and its screwed way to run a so called Union.

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This is FI, we do not deal in reality on this site, only wishfull think that unions can control all outcomes.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is FI, we do not deal in reality on this site, only wishfull think that unions can control all outcomes.

What do you mean at UAL? CAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA because the in house union at CAL allowed the scabs to be in good standing. So when CAL in house merged with ALPA, ALPA by law had to accept all members in good standing. Are you suggesting that ALPA break the law?

For the scabs from the UAL strike in 1985..... I wasn't aware they were in good standing....

Also, thanks for your clarification on strike breaking... nice to know where you stand..... you'd take the food out of your fellow Americans childrens mouth for yourself.....

 

[Tristar]

Clay Lacy is a scab, and he is doing pretty well.

And Murray Smith's retarded gay lover too! Clay Lacy is dog$---.

 

[sunlitpath]

A guy that I worked with a few jobs ago was an Eastern scab. He freely admitted it to me. He was very careful about the media and printing his name on company advertisements because he was concerned about retaliation for his scab status. I thought he was paranoid. I do not think he is paranoid any more. I would never personally cross a picket line anyway, list or no list. Those who would do so in the future should be aware of entities that will record their actions. That is why I started this thread. It is not intended to perpetuate the misery of individuals on the list. It is intended to share a discovery I made regarding the veracity and existence of these types of documents.

 

[pilotyip]

Also, thanks for your clarification on strike breaking... nice to know where you stand..... you'd take the food out of your fellow Americans childrens mouth for yourself.....

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families. And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay. Again the senior guys look out for #1 first. BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

 

[PCL_128]

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families.

The B-Scale was born in the mind of Bob Crandall, a management puke like yourself. It was not the invention of a union. The APA accepted it as a temporary measure under duress, and as you can see, it was eliminated. After it was accepted at AMR, pressure was on other major airline pilot groups to do the same, and some of them did. But, again, they have been eliminated.

And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay.

When scope exceptions first started several decades ago, it was to outsource flying that a mainline carrier would simply never do (19-seat turboprops or piston props). If the exception wasn't carved out, then the flying would simply never get done, and the revenue would never be realized by the mainline carrier. Up until bankruptcy early in this decade, scope protections were still very strong. Even the carrier with the loosest scope (DAL) still had strict limits to 50 seats, except for allowing a maximum of 57 70-seaters. The big changes didn't happen until bankruptcy. When faced with 1113(c) filings, the pilots had little choice.

BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

People who brag about giving to charities are usually lowlifes. Truly generous people don't talk about their charitable contributions.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Isn't that what the unions did with "B" scale, take money out of the mouths of new hires F/O's families.

That was something the APA pilots accepted. Dick Ferris thought it was a great idea and tried to impose it on the UAL guys. The ALPA UAL pilots, struck over that and won the fight.

http://www.fracpilot.com/fromwoodenwings.pdf

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

And scope that forced lower wages by outsourcing major jobs to protect their mainline pay. Again the senior guys look out for #1 first. BTW the 5 figures a year I give to charities, puts food in a lot of mouths who make a lot less that a regionla F/O, not to mention a well piad natiomal F/O

Again, don't try and make this into an internal union pilot vs union pilot issue. This is about you admitting that you'd scab. Again with your perverted sense of citizenship.... you'll cross a picket line and screw over a regional FO, then claim that you give 5 figures to charities making you better than a regional FO. If you didn't screw over FOs maybe they'd have more money to give....

Why not give to the profession? Too socialist for you?

Let's be clear what we are talking about....

Ode to a Scab ​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a SCAB. A SCAB is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-logged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When a SCAB comes down the street, men turn their back and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to SCAB as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a SCAB. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A SCAB HASN’T![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern STRIKE-breaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-Jack London[/FONT]​

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[pilotyip]

Again, don't try and make this into an internal union pilot vs union pilot issue. This is about you admitting that you'd scab. Again with your perverted sense of citizenship.... you'll cross a picket line and screw over a regional FO, then claim that you give 5 figures to charities making you better than a regional FO. If you didn't screw over FOs maybe they'd have more money to give....
Why not give to the profession? Too socialist for you?
Let's be clear what we are talking about....

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The seventh circle of hell, Angels weeping, kids dying of starvation,... boy the sh!t is getting deep in here!

 

[Kalifornia]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

So in your infinite wisdom, you "I did, I donated, I have seen, I have helped, I am the they wish to have beer with I, I, I, I, I. ". Isn't that a joke? How many people have you private messaged on this board with a full account of your career travails? This post ending just evidences a bizarre bitterness that has lead you into a management position with a dementia condition bent on demonizing of the profession pilot with the likes of "high school drop-outs" do perfectly fine flying airplanes.

 

[sunlitpath]

Through my research on this issue, I have arrived at a few basic conclusions. I think it is safe to say that being a scab is bad thing, and the potential for bad things to happen to a scab is significantly greater than if one were not scab. Regardless of the consequences of scabbing, there is a great selfishness and indifference to the collective good and the collective will when one partakes in scabbing. Personally speaking, my distaste for scabs was founded at an early age. After reading John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath and In Dubious Battle, there was no going back on the issue of labor solidarity.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey easy on the name-calling. You know I never crossed a picket line, I was offered a chance in the early 80's at CAL. But I turned it down for the good of the profession, never went beyond the call this number. I have given to the profession my entire life; I have mentored, encouraged many to pursue their goal as a professional pilot. I have seen the CFI's go to AirTran, JetBlue, I have seen the AirNet guys to SWA, DAL, and UAL, I have seen the Zantop guys go to Airborne, ATI, and Kalitta. I have helped them reach that next step. Most will still call me for a beer when coming through YIP. I have truely lived my child hood dream. BTW I was told by my squadron ALPA buddies if I crossed the picket line my career would be ruined and I would end up working for a non-sked at KYIP. Isn’t that joke.

You are good at sandbaggin'

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

 

[LazyLightnin']

All of this because some guy didn't know the scab list was real.

 

[Nindiri]

Oh, I think he knew it was real. He's been having great fun getting some of the more intense members here fired up. :laugh:

 

[CX880]

The problem withe the SCAB word is that it's been dumbed down the last decade or so. There's so much bottom feeding going on, one airline management is trying to outdo the next. It should be reserved for actual airline strike breakers not for Skywest or RAH pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

You are good at sandbaggin'

Again, I'll call you out. What UAL scabs are in good standing at ALPA? I doubt there are any UAL pilots from the 1985 strike on the UAL list that are...

not me? I did not post that. I only responded to another post, I knew CAL guys were dues paying members of ALPA, but was unsure about UAL.

 

[Mr. Bean]

I've been in aviation and non-aviation unions. I know two things:

Solidarity is a union's strength, and if they can't gain it by consensus, they've got no problems with coercion.

I've seen enough of unions (and management) to know that I won't judge a man for following his conscience. All are welcome on my jumpseat.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

not me? I did not post that. I only responded to another post, I knew CAL guys were dues paying members of ALPA, but was unsure about UAL.

Negative, you approved of the statement....... making it your own.

If you are not sure of something why do you lead others to believe you know what you are talking about....

Just to be clear on CAL... the in house CAL union accepted the scabs as members in good standing. When ALPA took CAL pilots back, by law they had to accept all pilots in good standing, thus the scabs. If there is a scab freindly union it is the old in house CAL and the old NPA union. Not ALPA. Understood and clear? Yes or no.


As far as UAL... no scabs from the UAL strike on the UAL list are in good standing at ALPA. If you know differently advise or stand down.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I've been in aviation and non-aviation unions. I know two things:

Solidarity is a union's strength, and if they can't gain it by consensus, they've got no problems with coercion.

I've seen enough of unions (and management) to know that I won't judge a man for following his conscience. All are welcome on my jumpseat.

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

 

[say again]

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

Sports, women, how crappy of a schedule they got, etc. etc. Why would this concern you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sports, women, how crappy of a schedule they got, etc. etc. Why would this concern you?

Not a concern. I just wondered what one would say to a scab, especially for hours in a fixed closed, locked compartment....... What would you talk about? fair labor practices?

 

[say again]

Not a concern. I just wondered what one would say to a scab, especially for hours in a fixed closed, locked compartment....... What would you talk about? fair labor practices?

I gotcha. Personally, I wouldnt have a scab ride the jumpseat, so i guess I cant honestly answer that for ya.

 

[Top Gum]

This may be an informative thread for folks that are new to this business and have decisions to make in their future. Scab lists are VERY real in all areas of aviation. I remember in the mid 90’s at a previous airline when we had aircraft that were experiencing problems with repeated write-ups. Mid-level management loaded belly compartments with every associated part in the stock room just for the EAL scab mechanics to have a thanksgiving weekend full of brutal work. It was salary work too!

Some of the other harshness that I’ve noticed over the years includes issues with check rides, scheduling torture, denied promotions and performance appraisal issues. I’ve never noticed this to be an act on the part of the airline. It’s always been from employees that are in an authority position. It goes very unnoticed and almost impossible to prove. Those in the know are very good at what they do and simply pass a smile to one another.

 

[Tristar]

What do you talk about when they are on your jumpseat?

I'm guessing which brand of knee pads work best.

 

[sunlitpath]

Oh, I think he knew it was real. He's been having great fun getting some of the more intense members here fired up. :laugh:

No, I sincerely did not know that such a master scab list was real, because I had never seen it. I tend to be skeptical. When I found this list online, I was a little shocked. I actually found it by accident. I was looking up an old co-worker from a few jobs ago, and the list came up in the google search. The guy was an Eastern scab. He is now elderly. I always thought that small groups might keep their own scab list for a particular company or one union, but this comprehensive Master Scab List is quite incredible, and as I now know; quite real. I understand why pilots get emotional and passionate on this subject. It really hurts when you initiate a group labor action and put it all on the line, only to have a few weak ones wreck the whole thing. I can imagine that it must be utterly gut wrenching. It is something I will never do. I will never be a scab.

 

[DC8Driver]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

ALPA is f^cked up. Would I cross a picket line? probably not, but I'm not blindly following a union that has done nothing but screw me since I became a member.

ALPA is not about you or me, it's about ALPA. The members of ALPA who work on safety issues have my respect and admiration. The union leadership doesn't. Your leader now is a bafoon. The one before was a thief. That's my opinion..............

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

ALPA is f^cked up. Would I cross a picket line? probably not, but I'm not blindly following a union that has done nothing but screw me since I became a member.

ALPA is not about you or me, it's about ALPA. The members of ALPA who work on safety issues have my respect and admiration. The union leadership doesn't. Your leader now is a bafoon. The one before was a thief. That's my opinion..............

How do you justify Capt. pay so early in employment? The rest of the pilots earned Capt pay only when they went thru the seniority list.

Did ALPA want the difference in his salary or the difference in SO dues vs Capt dues?

 

[DC8Driver]

How do you justify Capt. pay so early in employment? The rest of the pilots earned Capt pay only when they went thru the seniority list.

Did ALPA want the difference in his salary or the difference in SO dues vs Capt dues?

1.) Justify? To who? He was hired by UAL. They "Justified it"

2.) You should know you pay a percentage of what you make, not what the union thinks your making.

3.) They wanted the difference in PAY.

4.) I would have told them "No" also.

 

[XShuttle]

I know someone on the UAL "scab" list. He was offered a job by UAL during the strike. He called ALPA who told him, "go to class but don't operate a trip". He did go to class, the strike was over before he completed training.

He was hired off the street as a 727 Captain but never operated a trip as a Captain as he went to the back seat. United paid him as a Captain from day one.

A year or two later, ALPA found out he was being paid as a Captain and wanted him to give ALPA the difference clear back to day one. He said "No". How is that a scab?

He lied to you he is a fleet qual. scab!

There are a hand full of scabs at United that are in good standing at ALPA the vast majority are not and are treated accordingly.