Sad Night!!!

[wolfpackpilot]

Ahh... and the threats begin.

The LOA is gone in August of 2012. ??? Really.

I will give NJASAP this; they have won every single battle in the war. So I don't doubt that management will roll over at some point in the future. I just love how you guys agreed to one thing... knowing full well you would attempt to change it down the road. That's called a Buddy F*cker in the Army.

No respect here... None.

 

[B727FA]

Nothing either group does is really very special, there are thousands of pilots waiting to send in resumes. The owners would see little change in service if we turned over staff by 100%. If you are flying an Ultra or a 550, you are expendable, tomorrow. We really think too much of ourselves.

The man speaks truth...

 

[fischman]

Wolfie,

Remember that is an incredibly small, idiotic minority who posted that crap about the integration. 99.9% of NJASAP is thrilled to see the company seeing reason by streamlining the operation (even though it has been painful for MANY families). NJI is welcomed.

Most of the posts you read had been refuted by cooler minds. Don't let stupid people piss you off. Pity them.

 

[rajflyboy]

Like the two or three that found their way onto this thread? Fact of the matter is there are just disgruntled a-holes on both sides.

To the 98% of guys who are genuine and welcome me.... Thank you, and the feelings are returned.

To the other 2%.... I'm #1900-something on the list and I'm a GIV Captain... Na-nan-a-boo-boo! F'ers!

Thanks for proving that us 5% ers are RIGHT to NOT be happy with the way integration took place.

We are not pissed off at the NJI pilots. We are mad at how our leadership negotiated this hole process.

To come on here and say that we are uneducated is completely false.

 

[Helmsalee]

Like they say on ESPN "Come on man". This is to both sides. Looks like both sides have their vocal minority trying to stir the pot. To the other 95% on both sides, ignore their babble and get on with your lives.
Helm

 

[Diesel]

RTRHD I drank a case of bud lights in your honor and then i puked on myself in bed.

Also in your honor.

 

[Diesel]

There is one thing I'm going to miss over the last 3 years and that's "flexibility".

I think NJI fitted my understanding of one hand washing the other.

I was flexible when I needed to be. They were flexible when they needed to be.

All in all I was very happy although the last 6 months was like watching people play musical chairs.

I can honestly say there were 1 or two guys in managament who hated us being there, they made it very very clear, but what was funny was that the rest of the company made up for them. I'm enjoying watching them scramble now.

All in all i'll miss the flexibility. Its going to cost me about 20k a year not to have that back.

FO of the year 3 years running.

D

 

[Pervis]

There is one thing I'm going to miss over the last 3 years and that's "flexibility".

All in all i'll miss the flexibility. Its going to cost me about 20k a year not to have that back.

FO of the year 3 years running.

D

How much did the furloughed folks lose while you were enjoying such "flexibility"?

 

[Diesel]

No idea what you're talking about. But a lot of good NJI pilots got furloughed too.

 

[Pervis]

No idea what you're talking about. But a lot of good NJI pilots got furloughed too.

That's who I was refering to. Please go to the Union boards and explain to all of us what you lost. It might help clear lots of misconceptions for both groups. There have been lots of coded and inside types of inuendos regarding losses, and I'm all for becoming more aware, now that we can communicate in a more secure forum.

 

[Diesel]

I don't need a secure forum. The ability to start and end my tours from where I needed to be was a good for both the company and myself. I started quite a few tours in europe for the company when I had to be there on business. I knew I couldn't always count on it but more than once it enabled the company not to have to airline someone over, which would be me anyways since I live so close to london.

Clear enough for you?

 

[Pervis]

You imply that loss of secondary income due to the loss of travel arrangements previously enjoyed is costing you 20k annually. If that is the case, I truely feel bad for you. However, how many of the whole would have benefited from a similar arrangement? I will venture to say very few. I will agree that the limits we now have for travel and basing are rediculous, and hopefully we can negotiate something like your used to.

You will gain security and other benefits you may feel you had, but were not guaranteed. I know you've heard it before, but I am another who had to "learn" what advantages a union could do for me both personally and collectively.

One aspect I know some will lose is the more intimate relationship they had with scheduling. That ability to work extra days (extending) when it was to the company's and the individual pilot's advantage is what is known as the "A" Team in the group you are now a part of. If that is what you feel you are losing, you will find zero sympathy from most, especially from those furloughed. I have the impression you are not part of that group, but you know darn well it wasn't so unusual in the recent past.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Like the two or three that found their way onto this thread? Fact of the matter is there are just disgruntled a-holes on both sides.

To the 98% of guys who are genuine and welcome me.... Thank you, and the feelings are returned.

To the other 2%.... I'm #1900-something on the list and I'm a GIV Captain... Na-nan-a-boo-boo! F'ers!

Damn, Bro... How to make friends and influence people!:nuts:

 

[gutshotdraw]

Damn, Bro... How to make friends and influence people!:nuts:

Thats "How to WIN Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. Just sayin'

 

[ozpilot]

Pervis

You do realise Diesel is a cross over pilot right? He's in a unique position to comment on the pros/cons of working conditions at both NJA and NJI.

When he talks about flexibility, he's not talking about extended days - hes talking about situations that arise that benefit both the pilot and the company that are simply not possible given the constraints of the contract we have at NJA.

For example - can you come out a day early if we send you home a day early? Or - I see your in London - how about we start your tour there as opposed to airlining you back to Boston so you can start there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have a contract at NJA. But it also imposes a rigidity that sometimes conflicts with the dynamic business environment that is Netjets.

I think that's what Diesel is getting at and I completely agree with him. Trust me, if your knew Diesel you would know he would never take anything away from a furloughed pilot.