Sad Night!!!

[ksu_aviator]

Admittedly, I'm an outsider looking in. But, it seems to me that all of you NJA guys/gals saying welcome to the NJI guys/gals are probably getting a collective finger from behind the monitor.

The NJI pilots were happy. They liked their jobs and they wanted it to stay that way. But you people just couldn't let that be, could you? You had to force them into the union for "their own good." Probably because you wanted to be able to take their jobs later.

NJA is exactly what is wrong with unions. Your behavior was abhorrent. To cannibalize your own for the sake of power is as shameful as it comes. Those of you that support unions, just remember that your union derives its power from your misery. What would the NJA union have done for the last few years had they not been trying to destroy the NJI jobs?

 

[imacdog]

Outside looking in. That's all you had to say. NJA and NJI are becoming they way they should always have been - one operation.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Admittedly, I'm an outsider looking in.

Noted.

 

[NJAowner]

Just to chime in with my 2 cents. Many on the board know from over the years that I am, generally, not one that sees great benefit to the members of a union. However, from my seat in the back, I am benefited by and do appreciate a structure which allows pilots to call "fatigue" without other ramifications or pressures. Maybe it is the union that makes that possible and protects the pilots, therefore, protecting me and my family.

 

[rajflyboy]

Hopefully you see the sarcasm in my childish statement. I have flown with as many NJA pilots in the past two years as I have NJI guys. I get along with them all. (and yes, Diesel is one of our favorites, has been from the time he showed up. A very well balanced, educated guy.) To the minority who wants to see me stapled... the childish response is for you.

On a very serious note, you have members in leadership within the union who are very open about the next contract, and having the provisions of the LOA removed in it. Obviously that is the life blood of my job and my seat. Any attempts to do so, will be meet with the best option myself and fellow pilots like me have at the time.

I've flown two tours back to back with BBJ guys. Had a blast with both of them. They've been here longer than me and ANYONE on the E-Board combined. When they're telling me they don't have any say so in the direction ASAP takes... well that speaks volume.


Wolf...

This whole integration shouldn't be personal. But from reading what I have, it was taken that way from more than one union member who will gladly speak his mind.

You are outnumbered by 6 or 7 to one. You have been GIVEN everything this time around. You won't be so lucky next time.

 

[rajflyboy]

Just to chime in with my 2 cents. Many on the board know from over the years that I am, generally, not one that sees great benefit to the members of a union. However, from my seat in the back, I am benefited by and do appreciate a structure which allows pilots to call "fatigue" without other ramifications or pressures. Maybe it is the union that makes that possible and protects the pilots, therefore, protecting me and my family.

You are right on about this! No doubt about it.

 

[gunfyter]

Just to chime in with my 2 cents. Many on the board know from over the years that I am, generally, not one that sees great benefit to the members of a union. However, from my seat in the back, I am benefited by and do appreciate a structure which allows pilots to call "fatigue" without other ramifications or pressures. Maybe it is the union that makes that possible and protects the pilots, therefore, protecting me and my family.

Even Santulli said this at one of our hangar meetings a few years ago. He said with pilots you want a union... you don't want pilots in a position they can be pressured to fly, when they should not be.


Also this article from the AIN.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bermuda First Country To Require SMS for Aircraft Entry[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Starting today, Bermuda is requiring all foreign operators of business aircraft with an mtow of more than 12,500 pounds to have a safety management system (SMS) and meet other requirements under ICAO Annex 6.2.3. For U.S. operators, this includes both Part 91 and 135 operators. Besides the precedent-setting SMS requirement, affected operators will also need an operations manual, fatigue management program, MMEL, Type 1A flight data recorder and crew microphone-based communication system. Additionally, aircraft with an mtow exceeding 59,400 pounds are required to have a Type 1 FDR and a cockpit voice recorder. The Bermuda Department of Civil Aviation (BDCA) said any of the following would show SMS compliance: IS-BAO registration, Air Charter Safety Foundation (ACSF) registration, Argus rating, Wyvern registration, an SMS manual deemed acceptable by the state of registry or proof of intent to produce an SMS. For Part 91 operators, this wording leaves IS-BAO the only compliance method since the FAA has yet to establish an SMS NPRM for Part 91, let alone Part 135. In fact, the FAA only last week issued an SMS proposed rule for Part 121 operators. Compliance with the ICAO annex “will be monitored by random ramp inspections at the L.F. Wade International Airport. Operators discovered to be not compliant will be refused entry to Bermuda until they can demonstrate compliance,” BDCA said.[/FONT]
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A Union is the best Fatigue Management Program you can get! Yes! You can thank the Netjets Pilot's union for the Part 91K prospective rest rules we all enjoy now. Otherwise there would be a lot more fatigued pilots flying out there.... Afraid to lose their jobs if they refuse the trip!

 

[x402]

Admittedly, I'm an outsider looking in. But, it seems to me that all of you NJA guys/gals saying welcome to the NJI guys/gals are probably getting a collective finger from behind the monitor.

The NJI pilots were happy. They liked their jobs and they wanted it to stay that way. But you people just couldn't let that be, could you? You had to force them into the union for "their own good." Probably because you wanted to be able to take their jobs later.

NJA is exactly what is wrong with unions. Your behavior was abhorrent. To cannibalize your own for the sake of power is as shameful as it comes. Those of you that support unions, just remember that your union derives its power from your misery. What would the NJA union have done for the last few years had they not been trying to destroy the NJI jobs?

Do you really fly for a living? Do you fly for fractional? You clearly have no clue about what has transpired in this industry. I'm guessing you fly for some 135 operator and are happy to have any flying job, good for you keep those sights set high, but leave this forum to those of us with a stake in it and some understanding of the business.

 

[NachoMamma]

However, from my seat in the back, I am benefited by and do appreciate a structure which allows pilots to call "fatigue" without other ramifications or pressures. Maybe it is the union that makes that possible and protects the pilots, therefore, protecting me and my family.

There is no "maybe" about it. Left un-checked, the company would do what any company would do in the name of share holder profit - push crews at all costs to maximize revenue (too tired to fly or not). This industry is one of few that REQUIRES a strong union presence to oversee and enforce duty rules thereby ultimately benefiting our owners. Clearly our little "KSU" buddy is far too new to aviation to be able to comprehend this concept.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You are outnumbered by 6 or 7 to one. You have been GIVEN everything this time around. You won't be so lucky next time.

Ah yes... the indirect threat of the looming negotiations in which payback is h*ll for the NJI guys. Yeah yeah... I get it. There are plenty of guys on the union board saying the same thing... using their 'real' name flea-boy.