Rumor Alert! - Delta/NWA SLI

[clippyrip]

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

Really? We got nothing to lose, you offered us a staple(which was considered "middle of the road"). I don't see how we could do worse.

 

[RedRum]

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

The "NWA side" is not putting anything. This thread was started on pure conjecture.

We have heard NOTHING from our merger committee.

There is no reason why anyone from either merger committee would say anything about the what the arbitrators are thinking. In other words, there are NO leaks and anything said on this board are just educated guesses.

NWA ALPA, NWA Merger Committee have NOT put out anything.

We shall see what happens on December 8th.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I'd have to agree...I'm pretty sure this is a flightinfo.com rumor in it's entirety. There's absolutely nothing on the NWAlpa or national boards about any of this.

 

[Fly4hire]

The "NWA side" is not putting anything. This thread was started on pure conjecture.

We have heard NOTHING from our merger committee.

You are not talking to the right people

 

[jetjockey#1]

If you are a DAL 07 Hire you should hope for DOH. Why else would you be entitled to anything better than that?? All new hires after 01 should be DOH. No better/No Worse.

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

 

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Lets not fight the whole SLI arbitration again.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No kidding. Just think how this board will light up when the SLI is handed down.

 

[Superpilot92]

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

Did you even read the proposal NWA presented? If you had you would have seen that BOTH DAL and NWA had positions fenced off. Those positions would only be available for the orignial pilot group UNLESS not enough people bid it. Then and only then would pilots from the other group be able to bid those protected positions. Also there is no bump and flush therefore everyone would at least be able to stay in their current position or at least pay protected.

BTW dont get worked up over Rumors, thats all it is right now. We'll see monday.

 

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Suggestion - drink beer, listen to Bob Marley "every ... thing gonna be all right."

 

[hockeypilot44]

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

I do not think NWA pilots should be allowed to fly your 767's. I also don't think that just because your bottom guy can hold the 767 should make him senior to every single NWA pilot. There is NO fair way to merge these lists. Hopefully, whatever comes out does not ruin our company.

 

[nwaredtail]

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

"Mr. Arbitrator, we at DALPA want relative seniority, because that is the only way things will be fair, except for the junior pilots of NWA, then we want to our junior pilots ahead of them because, well, ummmm, geez, errr, well, just because."

Yeah, if I was a junior DAL pilot, I wouldn't worry a bit.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Suggestion - drink beer, listen to Bob Marley "every ... thing gonna be all right."

...or a margarita and "Changes in Latitudes....Changes in Attitudes".....

 

[123]

Lets not fight the whole SLI arbitration again.

Fins,

For once I completely agree with you.

 

[Turtle21]

Lets not fight the whole SLI arbitration again.

Yeah.. come December 8th there will plenty of fighting the SLI again, and again, and again...

 

[michael707767]

I spoke with one of our MEC reps late this afternoon. First of all, there is still no indication from the arbitrators as to how they will rule. So anything is possible.

Having said that, the Delta MEC has not authorized our merger committee to negotiate anything that includes a dynamic list. To get this approval, they would need a special MEC meeting. Unless an MEC meeting is called, there will be no negotiated list that is dynamic.

 

[nwaredtail]

I spoke with one of our MEC reps late this afternoon. First of all, there is still no indication from the arbitrators as to how they will rule. So anything is possible.

Having said that, the Delta MEC has not authorized our merger committee to negotiate anything that includes a dynamic list. To get this approval, they would need a special MEC meeting. Unless an MEC meeting is called, there will be no negotiated list that is dynamic.

Who said anything about negotiations? BTW, MEC Reps will be the last of the people to know anything about the list, negotiations, etc.

 

[michael707767]

Who said anything about negotiations? BTW, MEC Reps will be the last of the people to know anything about the list, negotiations, etc.

unless the source of this rumor has some special insight as to how the arbitrators will rule, then this rumor is complete BS.

The reps may not be the first to know the list, but they do know what they have approved the merger committee to do. I doubt the DALPA merger committee would go off on their own and do something the MEC has not authorized them to do.

 

[nwaredtail]

unless the source of this rumor has some special insight as to how the arbitrators will rule, then this rumor is complete BS.

The reps may not be the first to know the list, but they do know what they have approved the merger committee to do. I doubt the DALPA merger committee would go off on their own and do something the MEC has not authorized them to do.

Why do you think the DALPA merger committee will have anything to do with a dynamic list, if used? They will not. Bloch asked, Bloch was educated, Bloch understood. The time to negotiate has come and gone.

The arbitrators can do whatever they want, yours, ours, combo, staple, dynamic, whatever.

 

[michael707767]

The arbitrators can do whatever they want, yours, ours, combo, staple, dynamic, whatever.

I agree. They can do what they want. But I do not believe the aribitrators have told anyone how they will rule. The only way anyone could have any insight as to how the list will come out is if they were invovled in negotiations. A dynamic list is not on the table for a negotiated list, so right now, anyone who says they know how the list will come out is full of it.

As my first post said, anything could happen. But for someone to claim they know the result at this point is flat out wrong.

 

[MJ42]

Suggestion - drink beer, listen to Bob Marley "every ... thing gonna be all right."

Hey Fins, nobody seems to be listening, so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Ww8dWnLds

Man, I got a hankering for a(few) Red Stripe(s). Hooray Beer!

 

[FDJ2]

The "NWA side" is not putting anything. This thread was started on pure conjecture.

Agreed.

We have heard NOTHING from our merger committee.

There is no reason why anyone from either merger committee would say anything about the what the arbitrators are thinking. In other words, there are NO leaks and anything said on this board are just educated guesses.

I'd stick with "pure conjecture".

NWA ALPA, NWA Merger Committee have NOT put out anything.

Neither has DALPA our the DAL Merger Committee.

We shall see what happens on December 8th.

That we shall. All good points.

Just a hunch, but my guess is that the arbitrators are being very thorough and are looking at a variety of methodologies/lists to see which one best fits and no one can know for certain how this will come out.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Any "leaking" from the arbiters this early is firmly in BS Land. This is completely wishful thinking on someone at NWA.


Ah, rumors.

 

[3ds]

Exactly!

The movements they predicted for SLI were predicated on growth and that is clearly not happening. Retirements will still continue...

And negative growth? Would the list account for that, too? Or maybe no once can RECALL if that was a possibility.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Anyone notice someone conspiculously missing from this thread??? 4 pages and none of his/her wisdom. Must be a record.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

He is on a trip. Notice it is the middle of the week. He should be back tonight or tomorrow.

 

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...or a margarita and "Changes in Latitudes....Changes in Attitudes".....

How about changes in venues? Why's Jimmy been playing indoors lately? Bring him back to Lakewood!

Taking about changes in attitudes ... I'm worried with this merger that the Captains around Delta are going to be a cross between Jessie Ventura and Garrison Keillor.

Someone else wrote that if you want to know where the bookstore, coffee shop and good area to go running is, ask a Delta pilot. If you want to know where the happy hour lasts until 03 hundred, a place to buy a carton of cigarettes for $12, or a breakfast place with a stripper pole is, ask a Northwest pilot. I'm not sure what they meant.

 

[nwaredtail]

And negative growth? Would the list account for that, too? Or maybe no once can RECALL if that was a possibility.

Yeah weren't the NWA guys going to give up seniority for the "huge" payraise (actually around 5% after loss of 1.5 pay over 80, medical premium increase, etc), and huge growth (yeah, right). Looks like the NWA guys won't be going over to the DAL non-super premium mini-wide bodies anytime soon.

Glad some had the foresight to remember than payraises and growth are temporary, seniority is forever.

 

[PuffDriver]

Yeah weren't the NWA guys going to give up seniority for the "huge" payraise (actually around 5% after loss of 1.5 pay over 80, medical premium increase, etc), and huge growth (yeah, right). Looks like the NWA guys won't be going over to the DAL non-super premium mini-wide bodies anytime soon.

Glad some had the foresight to remember than payraises and growth are temporary, seniority is forever.

YAWN!!

All refuted soundly in the forum which actually matters.

Keep hoping for that attrition, it's all you've got.

 

[Fly4hire]

YAWN!!

All refuted soundly in the forum which actually matters..

Funny, we thought the exact same thing. This is like arguing with your wife.

Something tells me neither one of us is going to get exactly what we want.......

 

[General Lee]

Anyone notice someone conspiculously missing from this thread??? 4 pages and none of his/her wisdom. Must be a record.

Heyas, I just got back. We'll know more on Monday I guess. This rumor is an interesting one, but I think it still gives too much to the NWA side. It doesn't take into account all of their smaller planes and less pay. We'll see...

Bye Bye--General Lee