Rumor Alert! - Delta/NWA SLI

[MJ42]

Acl,

Where are you hearing these rumors? It is very bad for us DAL '07 hires. It makes DOH look great for us.

compared to whom? NWA 2000 hires?

 

[rf285]

Compared to the NWA new hires. Not talking about the 2000 hires.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The rumors are coming out of the NWA ALPA side of things. Nothing from Delta or DALPA. As I said, it seems that they may have the concept fairly correct, but the terms and conditions are the bread and butter. From what I was told, this was not given up, not even to them.

Now if they are 100% correct in what they are telling everyone, you are correct. The bottom 1/2 of the original DAL list will not move for 15 years. That is why, I think that a lot of the facts are missing, and in fact this is just a rumor. We know how these get started and where they go.

The only thing the arbitrators would do is hint at their decision. I am not sure that they would disclose anything. It would put both parties back in their corners. He would want to bring us to the table not back us away. Therefore, I cannot for the life of me see him detailing anything that would cause that.

Like this tread states, it is RUMOR that has very little fact to back it up. Until their is a negotiated list or they hand down the arbitrated one, I would not loose much sleep over this.

 

[Deadend]

So If I was hired before you in 07 where should I Be??

 

[Superpilot92]

compared to whom? NWA 2000 hires?

Exactly, or even '99 hires.

Ratio pre-911 hires and DOH for post would have been the best way to do it imho. Or at least the most "fair" way for the majority of both lists. We'll see on Monday.

 

[NuGuy]

Exactly, or even '99 hires.

Ratio pre-911 hires and DOH for post would have been the best way to do it imho. Or at least the most "fair" way for the majority of both lists. We'll see on Monday.

Heyas Super,

I suspect you will see a ratio that "simulates" DOH for the bottom parts of the list.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas ACL,

True, rumors are rumors....

Here's one more for ya...no aircraft orders of any kind will be used for the SLI. Only aircraft that are currently on the property as of a certain date.

Unknown as to what that date is...January, June, yesterday...

Now if they are 100% correct in what they are telling everyone, you are correct. The bottom 1/2 of the original DAL list will not move for 15 years.

The $64 question is "how much would you have moved, absent the merger?". If the answer to that is "none", then I'd say it was a fair solution, because you got what you brought.

Based on DALPAs own testimony, there was going to be movement on the DAL side, just some years past the NWA side. I'm sure that won't go away.

It could be that this is all pressure to bring both sides back to the table. It could VERY well be that the arbitrators are "asking questions" in such a way that it motivates each side.

I would say that the side that digs it's heels in has the most to lose.

Nu

 

[clippyrip]

So If I was hired before you in 07 where should I Be??

You are 2007 hire...you should be ahead of those who were hired after you. Hopefully you are not under the impression that 2007 has any more entitlement.

 

[PuffDriver]

You are 2007 hire...you should be ahead of those who were hired after you. Hopefully you are not under the impression that 2007 has any more entitlement.

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

 

[clippyrip]

The $64 question is "how much would you have moved, absent the merger?". If the answer to that is "none", then I'd say it was a fair solution, because you got what you brought.

Exactly!

The movements they predicted for SLI were predicated on growth and that is clearly not happening. Retirements will still continue...

 

[clippyrip]

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

Really? We got nothing to lose, you offered us a staple(which was considered "middle of the road"). I don't see how we could do worse.

 

[RedRum]

Sounds as if some junior NWA pilots are getting nervous, and grasping on to anything and everything that the NWA side is putting out. I wouldn't worry a whole bunch Delta guys. The NWA side hasn't been right about much in this whole deal.

The "NWA side" is not putting anything. This thread was started on pure conjecture.

We have heard NOTHING from our merger committee.

There is no reason why anyone from either merger committee would say anything about the what the arbitrators are thinking. In other words, there are NO leaks and anything said on this board are just educated guesses.

NWA ALPA, NWA Merger Committee have NOT put out anything.

We shall see what happens on December 8th.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I'd have to agree...I'm pretty sure this is a flightinfo.com rumor in it's entirety. There's absolutely nothing on the NWAlpa or national boards about any of this.

 

[Fly4hire]

The "NWA side" is not putting anything. This thread was started on pure conjecture.

We have heard NOTHING from our merger committee.

You are not talking to the right people

 

[jetjockey#1]

If you are a DAL 07 Hire you should hope for DOH. Why else would you be entitled to anything better than that?? All new hires after 01 should be DOH. No better/No Worse.

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

 

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Lets not fight the whole SLI arbitration again.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No kidding. Just think how this board will light up when the SLI is handed down.

 

[Superpilot92]

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

Did you even read the proposal NWA presented? If you had you would have seen that BOTH DAL and NWA had positions fenced off. Those positions would only be available for the orignial pilot group UNLESS not enough people bid it. Then and only then would pilots from the other group be able to bid those protected positions. Also there is no bump and flush therefore everyone would at least be able to stay in their current position or at least pay protected.

BTW dont get worked up over Rumors, thats all it is right now. We'll see monday.

 

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Suggestion - drink beer, listen to Bob Marley "every ... thing gonna be all right."

 

[hockeypilot44]

Because as a 07 hire we can hold widebody A/C ( more money second year pays over 80$ without the raise) and you guys can not. NWA pilots should only be allowed to bid DAL widebody A/C at the same time you would at NWA. The same way, I can not hold 777, so with my new number I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD your 744.

It seems to me that the NWA pilots can't wait to get on DAL's planes, but in the other hand I don't hear DAL guys fantasing over flying NWA planes, maybe the 744 a little. Let's hope for a 10 year fence on equipment and bases. I think 99% of the DAL pilot group would be in favor of that, how about NWA? That way you get so precious retirement credits and we won't be screwed by hundreds if not thousands of NWA pilots all of the sudden deciding to fly widebodies and ruining career expectations of junior F/Os and CPTs at DAL.

I do not think NWA pilots should be allowed to fly your 767's. I also don't think that just because your bottom guy can hold the 767 should make him senior to every single NWA pilot. There is NO fair way to merge these lists. Hopefully, whatever comes out does not ruin our company.