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Rumor alert! Rumor alert!

UNTRUE RUMOR

Just heard a rumor from a NWA buddy in Detroit that the SLI would include relative seniority and "dynamic lists" on both sides with no fences. That's what he said.

NEITHER MERGER CMTE KNOWS ANY DETAILS. THEY WILL BE BRIEFED A DAY BEFORE IT'S MADE PUBLIC


Again, this is a RUMOR from a NWA buddy who supposedly is "in the know." Sure, it could be false but he has been pretty reliable and he has been there for a long time.

THE "IN THE KNOW" CONTACTS I HAVE SPOKEN TOO HAVE NO IDEA WHICH WAY IT'S GOING TO GO

Discuss...

There is the possibility the arbitrators could leak something to compel the parties to get back to the table, but I have heard "a less than 1% chance" used to describe that at this point.
 
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I heard this last night. As with everything the devil is in the details.
Is the ratio that we start with your seniority number, and does it stay there when the dynamic part of the award kicks in? That is huge. If dynamic means that NWA and DAL guys get to bid for seats vacated by their retiring pilots, but retain the arbitrated seniority, this is fair, but if the dynamic part also means that people are leap frogging on seniority numbers as well, it will cause a lot of issues.
 
Heyas,

Four ratio groups, variable by group

Dynamic overlay for a 10-15 year period

No staples, no fences.

ACL, what you are talking about, where people only bid into their equipment, is just a fence. The award will probably be the "full Monty" as presented by NWALPA. "Dynamic seniority" probably has become Bloch's pet project.

But you'll have your ratios....

Nu
 
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Or this from the hearings:

"Committee demonstrated a technique – christened “pull out/plug in” – that is designed to provide to the NWA pilot group a “treatment” for the small, temporary attrition imbalance, see DRX-21 at 9, that it will experience in the first ten years after the merger. The basic concept of the pull out/plug in method is to remove from the NWA seniority list a block (100, 173 or some lesser or greater number) from among the 500 oldest active pilots. DRX-29 at 3. When the block of pilots is pulled out, all pilots junior to these pulled-out pilots “move up the ladder”. Then, with the pull out block still excluded from the list, the status and category ratios are built. Finally, each pulled out pilot is reinserted into the integrated list, one number junior to the pilot who was immediately senior to that pilot on the standalone NWA list."

This gives the NW side credit for their upcoming retirements, without the HUGE mess that a dynamic list would cause.
 
Or this from the hearings:

"Committee demonstrated a technique – christened “pull out/plug in” – that is designed to provide to the NWA pilot group a “treatment” for the small, temporary attrition imbalance, see DRX-21 at 9, that it will experience in the first ten years after the merger. The basic concept of the pull out/plug in method is to remove from the NWA seniority list a block (100, 173 or some lesser or greater number) from among the 500 oldest active pilots. DRX-29 at 3. When the block of pilots is pulled out, all pilots junior to these pulled-out pilots “move up the ladder”. Then, with the pull out block still excluded from the list, the status and category ratios are built. Finally, each pulled out pilot is reinserted into the integrated list, one number junior to the pilot who was immediately senior to that pilot on the standalone NWA list."

This gives the NW side credit for their upcoming retirements, without the HUGE mess that a dynamic list would cause.

Heyas,

I'm sure this was attempted during the mediation sessions. The actual number of "pullouts" that the data supported is significantly greater than 173, and that's probably where the mediation was angling towards. I'm sure it was unacceptable to the DAL guys due to the downline effect on the bottom of the list.

No doubt, the number of pullouts was argued to a great extent. Assuming that both sides take a stand, the arbitrator would probably pick a number somewhere in the middle. Fully implemented, the bottom of the DAL list takes a disproportionate hammer from the pull out methodology if you use a number that is likely from arbitration (say, around 400).

Nu
 
Like I said, the devil is in the details, and not one has that. From talking to people close to this, no one knows anything.
 
Heyas,

Four ratio groups, variable by group

Dynamic overlay for a 10-15 year period

No staples, no fences.

ACL, what you are talking about, where people only bid into their equipment, is just a fence. The award will probably be the "full Monty" as presented by NWALPA. "Dynamic seniority" probably has become Bloch's pet project.

But you'll have your ratios....

Nu

Wasn't going to say anything, but I heard 6 Groups:

WB (744, 747, 330, 777, 742) Capt, WB F/O, MWB (757/767) Capt, MWB F/O, NB (DC9, MD, 737, 320)Captain, NB F/O.
 
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Yep, if it goes exactly like the rumors are, you guys hit a grand slam. But, suspect that not all of the rumors are correct.
 
Acl,

Where are you hearing these rumors? It is very bad for us DAL '07 hires. It makes DOH look great for us.
 
If you are a DAL 07 Hire you should hope for DOH. Why else would you be entitled to anything better than that?? All new hires after 01 should be DOH. No better/No Worse.
 

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