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Rumor Alert! - Delta/NWA SLI

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johnsonrod

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Rumor alert! Rumor alert!

Just heard a rumor from a NWA buddy in Detroit that the SLI would include relative seniority and "dynamic lists" on both sides with no fences. That's what he said.

Evidently "dynamic lists" means leapfrogging for retirement. I am not exactly clear on what that means or the implications for either side. My buddy suggested that it looks like relative seniority would win out (in the end).

Again, this is a RUMOR from a NWA buddy who supposedly is "in the know." Sure, it could be false but he has been pretty reliable and he has been there for a long time.

Discuss...
 
It's pretty simple, the idea has been tossed around for almost a year now. They ratio us together and everyone gets their slot. Now for visualization purposes picture that seniority list color coded, each NWA pilot red each DAL pilot blue. Every time a blue pilot leaves all the blue pilots move up, every time a red pilot leaves every red pilot moves up.

DAL will get their ratio (well not necessarily their proposed ratio but some form of a ratio instead of DOH) and NWA will get their more imminent attrition.

If done right everyone starts where they started, moves up when they would have moved up and finishes where they would have finished (retired).
 
Sounds like a fair proposal to me. Of course, I don't have a stake in this game.

The "no fences" aspect would be interesting - probably get a bunch of NWA people bidding off the Diesel 9 into bigger equipment if they have the seniority. Management would probably appreciate that scheduling flexibility too.
 
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If done right everyone starts where they started, moves up when they would have moved up and finishes where they would have finished (retired).

In periods of stagnantation, displacements and furloughs I could see it being a real mess. It would kind of be like musical chairs...would just depend on where you were when the music stops (two years into your furlough you might be able to come back and kick another guy back on the street...why would you remain furloughed if during that time your seniority was high enough to have a job?).
 
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It's pretty simple, the idea has been tossed around for almost a year now. They ratio us together and everyone gets their slot. Now for visualization purposes picture that seniority list color coded, each NWA pilot red each DAL pilot blue. Every time a blue pilot leaves all the blue pilots move up, every time a red pilot leaves every red pilot moves up.

DAL will get their ratio (well not necessarily their proposed ratio but some form of a ratio instead of DOH) and NWA will get their more imminent attrition.

If done right everyone starts where they started, moves up when they would have moved up and finishes where they would have finished (retired).

That sounds good, as long as when and if they park a red or blue a/c the respective pilots go along with them. Also, when a red or blue pilot moves up he/she should be able to upgrade only in his own respective equipment. I know red pilots probably don't like that, but if it's a dynamic list for retirements it should be a dynamic list for deliveries and furloughs.


In others words it is not going to work. It is way too complicated, relative seniority is the way to go.

The day after the SLI list comes out you should be able to hold the same equipment and schedule as the day before.

A pilot who can only hold narrow body A/C by seniority, should not be in a position to bid a widebody equipment at the expense of somebody who is already on the A/C.
 
So if someone is 10% from the bottom now, they should be 10% from the bottom on the new SL.

I agree.

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In others words it is not going to work. It is way too complicated, relative seniority is the way to go.

The day after the SLI list comes out you should be able to hold the same equipment and schedule as the day before.

A pilot who can only hold narrow body A/C by seniority, should not be in a position to bid a widebody equipment at the expense of somebody who is already on the A/C.[/quote]
 
as long as when and if they park a red or blue a/c the respective pilots go along with them. Also, when a red or blue pilot moves up he/she should be able to upgrade only in his own respective equipment. I know red pilots probably don't like that, but if it's a dynamic list for retirements it should be a dynamic list for deliveries and furloughs.

In others words it is not going to work. It is way too complicated.

I agree with you mostly. The big problem comes in when determining over the next 40 years (there are some 25 year old DAL pilots on the list) what constitutes a "red" or "blue" aircraft. This leaves the door wide open to infighting and more arbitration (a la red vs. green). Also, this essentially creates a fence if red pilots can only fly red airplanes and vice versa.

You're absolutely right, it is very complicated. Just because it's hard doesn't necessarily means it's not worth pursuing. A well written ruling with lots of examples will go a long way towards solving many of these issues ahead of time.

A pilot should be able to hold on day 2 what he holds on day 1. But if there's also a way for that pilot to maintain some semblance of career expectations, then it should be addressed, regardless of the complexity.

Glad I'm not in charge of making this decision. DOH, Relative, or Dynamic with/without fences all have their problems when used alone. Some combination of the above will probably end up most fair and equitable.

We'll know in less than a week.
 

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