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b82rez said:
Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.
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If there is no Midwest, why would there be a Midwest Connect?
 
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TheJCNIs
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.

I am sorry, but as a Midwest pilot I will be the first to say that I don't consider Republic pilots as scabs and think they have nothing to do with this, its our own management crap that we need to worry about, please don't use the "S" word when it really doesn't apply, the "S" word loses its effect when you do that.
 
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sorry for my post. It was a knee jerk reaction. It shows how scope is so important. Sorry to the republic pilots being dragged into this.
 
TheJCNIs said:
sorry for my post. It was a knee jerk reaction. It shows how scope is so important. Sorry to the republic pilots being dragged into this.
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Believe me I know how you feel, its my 3rd furlough, we are all very outraged, we just need to point our outrage toward the right people.

Oh by the way, we all can thank Scotty for the great scope (or lack of) we currently have.
 
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D. Scope
1. This Agreement covers the company, any subsidiary of the
company, the company’s parent, any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and any future airline certificate(s) created as
a subsidiary of the company or subsidiary of the company’s
parent.
2. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all present and
future flying (including that international flying which originates
or terminates within the United States or its possessions) and all
charters, ferry flights (not including ferry flights of newlyacquired
aircraft prior to being placed in revenue service),
training flights, test flights, (except test flights assigned to
management), or other utilization of aircraft owned or leased by
the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company or subsidiary of the company’s parent shall be
performed by pilots on the Chautauqua Airlines Pilots’ System
Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the
company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, Airline Division.
3. The Company, Subsidiary of the Company, the Company’s
Parent or Subsidiary of the Parent shall not establish any new
airline (alter ego or otherwise) or acquire a controlling interest in
any carrier whether directly or through the Parent or another
Subsidiary of the Parent, and maintain it as a separate carrier.
A “Controlling Interest” or “Control” means the ownership of an
equity interest representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the
outstanding capital stock of an entity or voting securities
representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the total voting
power of outstanding securities then entitled to vote generally in
the election of such entity’s board of directors or other governing
body.
4. The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to
its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the
Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this
Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party
leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.​


Like how our management enters into a lease deal in direct violation of our CBA and the CEO cheerleading the good this is going to be for the two companies. This deal blows and both pilot groups are to suffer as upper managment irons out the details of the golden parachutes.
 
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"I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's?"

Or there is another plan in the background and 9 717's is the bare necessity to maintain capacity and or ME could only afford to operate 9 airframes and stay out of BK.

Call me crazy, but if you look at some of the players involved here (TPG, Replublic/Wexford) I do not think it is completely out of the question for dozens of airbus to be operated out of MKE with FR tailnumbers after the beginning of the year. Problem is, F9 and YX pilots probably won't be flying them. Total bs flightinfo speculation, but things are going to come to a head in MKE and DEN soon and the same people are pulling the equity strings.

Sorry to all of the gents at ME. Yet another great group of guys takes one on the chin. Walking away from this goat-roap is getting easier by the day.
 
The reason they are probably keeping 9 of the B717 is one to keep the certificate alive since you cant just add new planes over night. The other reason might be that someone else might own the leases not boeing so there for they are not willing to deal. Being from a deceased airline myself dont be surprised to see Republic owning midwest when this is all said and done.
 
Morning Wood said:
If there is no Midwest, why would there be a Midwest Connect?
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Because, if it suits his fancy, Tim H. will run Midwest Connect with no mainline flights.....spew some crap about how it's in the best interests of the community...who will buy it hook line and sinker, and then extort another few million out of this place.


"Fly Midwest Connect.....We connect your fat asses places.."


If you think Timmy won't run an airline just because of a name that doesn't make sense you obviously haven't worked at Midwest Express.
 
fam62c said:
I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's?
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Great minds think alike. My buddy called and told me that they got some flying. I didn't realize what expense it would come at. I figure it's the last cash preservation move by TPG until Delta/NWA gets approved. I can't figure out who's getting what payoff at the end, though. Then whatever masterplan Delta has can get executed. First would be Midwest CH.7/11. Repaint the 170's, keep them in MKE. It's a good place for 70 seaters.
 
jravi8tor said:
it's our md-80 replacement! when its all said and done the 170 looks like a mini airbus, right? timmy and management never wanted to pay the $390,000+ lease payments anyway!
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From what I've been reading, it's your 717 replacement. There is no replacement for your 80's. The situation sucks.
 
Just to reiterate:

The RAH pilots are as outraged at this as anyone else. We have heard nothing yet in response from our union leadership other than an acknowledgment of the event. What the response will be remains to be seen, but we are not happy.
 
The ME union is saying this is catastrophic news...?Why did they not have that harsh language when the first guy/gal got furloughed? now that the senior guys are affected they are waking up. I just wonder what Boeing is doing with those 717s. What a mess, you can just hope ALPA is helping those ME pilots trying to get jobs........
 
metroplex said:
What a mess, you can just hope ALPA is helping those ME pilots trying to get jobs........
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LOL!!! Now that is funny.

This deal is an absolute joke. For the love of God will somebody please just let Midwest die.
 
GOULET! said:
LOL!!! Now that is funny.

This deal is an absolute joke. For the love of God will somebody please just let Midwest die.
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I agree... Tell Timmy to F.O and shut this damn place down!! Let's go out with a little pride for our profession for once... 8
 
CitationLover said:
hey the 170's are 2x2 seating!
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I wondered about that. So will the braintrust switch them all out to 'Midwest Class' (gagging noises and laughing) before getting rid of them? I can't believe they started advertising for 'Midwest Class' no more than a week before they decided to go to 9 planes.
 
I'll be amazed if RAH ever sees their money again, and they'll probably get their planes dropped right back in their laps to boot; serves them right. Giving money to Midwest is like flushing it down the toilet. RAH must be desperate to sublease those planes. I think that if the pilots at Midwest don't play ball with the concessions the whole house of cards may fold before the E-170's can be transitioned to the Midwest certificate. I hope they file Chapter 11 so RAH, Skywest, TPG, NWA, Milwaukee County, the state of Wisconsin and everyone else who lent TH money gets what they deserve for trusting that fool. I hope the creditors take over the whole mess and liquidate it. It's time for Midwest to go to the great airline resting place in the sky.....RIP. I feel terrible for the employees but It's going to happen sooner or later so let's just get it done before the last ounce of dignity is stripped from the place. This profession has gone to hell in a handbasket.
 
Did anyone else notice that on the TMJ4 news report? The reporter showed video of CRJs taking off and landing and said that was replacing our aircraft. I think thats funny. I don't think this move will fare well with the hometown customers, especially the $15 for the first checked bag and $25 for each additional.

Getting furloughed in June was probably the best thing that happened to me now. At least I had the summer off.
 
Morning Wood said:
If there is no Midwest, why would there be a Midwest Connect?
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Midwest Connect will become a DCI carrier. Midwest is kaput. Anybody hanging around to see what is next and not looking for a real flying job deserves what they get.

Midwest was DOA on CH11 filing. What is happening is a de facto liquidation.
 
fam62c said:
I'll be amazed if RAH ever sees their money again, and they'll probably get their planes dropped right back in their laps to boot; serves them right. Giving money to Midwest is like flushing it down the toilet. RAH must be desperate to sublease those planes. I think that if the pilots at Midwest don't play ball with the concessions the whole house of cards may fold before the E-170's can be transitioned to the Midwest certificate. I hope they file Chapter 11 so RAH, Skywest, TPG, NWA, Milwaukee County, the state of Wisconsin and everyone else who lent TH money gets what they deserve for trusting that fool. I hope the creditors take over the whole mess and liquidate it. It's time for Midwest to go to the great airline resting place in the sky.....RIP. I feel terrible for the employees but It's going to happen sooner or later so let's just get it done before the last ounce of dignity is stripped from the place. This profession has gone to hell in a handbasket.
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We'll get the money back, don't worry. BB never enters into a contract without looking down the road at a profit. Hell he probably knows that they're going to fold and he's going to get a piece of the pie while the getting is good. Everybody is getting fired up about 170's at Midwest, but they probably will never even touchdown in MKE to tell you the truth. At least that is what I think is going on.
 
FlyWolf said:
I hope all the senior Captains who gave me crap about my support for the Airtran deal are happy now, specially now that they will end up on the street with the rest of us this time.

When I said on another thread that Midwest is being realigned some guys didn't agree with me, Midwest WILL become COMPASS, and eventually a connection service for the new Delta/NWA.

here is my quote from another thread:
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Originally Posted by FlyWolf
TV9Driver, thanks, I still think we would have been much better with Airtran than NWA/TPG.

Heavy Set, even though Midwest is furloughing it is NOT out of seniority, your info is wrong.

My initial post was, Midwest is being re-aligned, I didn't say anything about Midwest continuing to fly 717.

Peace and good luck to all.
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Flywolf, you hit it on the head! Delta and Northwest have now created a new regional airline that will be flying E-170s out of Milwaukee. The name will eventually change from Midwest Connect to Delta Connection. Midwest will become a thing of the past and those remaining 9 717s will be retired at some point when the merger is done. My question to all Midwest pilots, is this not enough of a reason to pickup your picket signs and go out on strike tomorrow? Why allow the company two more weeks off your back? After Oct 1st, your leverage will be gone because Republic will be in place taking YOUR JOBS! For Midwest connect to go forward they need you to fly til the end of the month and then you are done! Why allow it, stop the madness now!

To all the Midwest pilots, I'm sorry for this injustice! Every mainline pilot better wake up! AirTran pilots, you better wake up and stop all that damn in fighting. This very well could be AirTran's path as well. Instead of E-170s it could be E-190s! It is time to UNITE and FIGHT for our profession and our jobs!
 
Eagle757shark said:
Flywolf, you hit it on the head! Delta and Northwest have now created a new regional airline that will be flying E-170s out of Milwaukee. The name will eventually change from Midwest Connect to Delta Connection. Midwest will become a thing of the past and those remaining 9 717s will be retired at some point when the merger is done. My question to all Midwest pilots, is this not enough of a reason to pickup your picket signs and go out on strike tomorrow? Why allow the company two more weeks off your back? After Oct 1st, your leverage will be gone because Republic will be in place taking YOUR JOBS! For Midwest connect to go forward they need you to fly til the end of the month and then you are done! Why allow it, stop the madness now!

To all the Midwest pilots, I'm sorry for this injustice! Every mainline pilot better wake up! AirTran pilots, you better wake up and stop all that damn in fighting. This very well could be AirTran's path as well. Instead of E-170s it could be E-190s! It is time to UNITE and FIGHT for our profession and our jobs!
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The only time it could become a "Delta Connection" carrier would be when any plane over 76 seats is gone. That means all of the 717s. If you then add the 12 E170s to the ticket, the amount of 76 seaters the new Delta would operate would get very close to the limit. There is a limit even on 76 seaters, and the merger of DL and NWA actually made the limit tighter, since both Majors already had a stream of them coming online, and a merger gets closer to that magical number. As far as the 717s go, I wouldn't be surprised if NWA goes after the 717s for a DC9 replacement. Remember, our certificates won't be merged for 12 months or so after the date of corporate closing, and Midwest is returning 16 of them at the end of this year. It will be interesting indeed. Sorry to the Midwest pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Eagle757shark said:
Flywolf, you hit it on the head! Delta and Northwest have now created a new regional airline that will be flying E-170s out of Milwaukee. The name will eventually change from Midwest Connect to Delta Connection. Midwest will become a thing of the past and those remaining 9 717s will be retired at some point when the merger is done. My question to all Midwest pilots, is this not enough of a reason to pickup your picket signs and go out on strike tomorrow? Why allow the company two more weeks off your back? After Oct 1st, your leverage will be gone because Republic will be in place taking YOUR JOBS! For Midwest connect to go forward they need you to fly til the end of the month and then you are done! Why allow it, stop the madness now!

To all the Midwest pilots, I'm sorry for this injustice! Every mainline pilot better wake up! AirTran pilots, you better wake up and stop all that damn in fighting. This very well could be AirTran's path as well. Instead of E-170s it could be E-190s! It is time to UNITE and FIGHT for our profession and our jobs!
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Dude,
You must be reading my mind. I can see this happening at Airtran in the very near future. After the pilot group over there refuse the last contract offered by AAI management on 9/10 and they get released into the cooling off period, it is all over but the crying. You will see this exact deal at Airtran. I truly hope I am wrong. Time will tell. As a furloughed AAI pilot I hope it won't happen. There are a lot of good guys/gals there. I wish the Midwest folks the best.
 

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