Republic to Fly for Midwest

[jacksjj]

Guys, as an employee of Republic, Im going to speak for (almost) everyone and let you know we are -collectively - NOT happy about this. There are calls for a strike vote already.

You might not hear alot about it on here since we have our own message board. But I assure you, the blood pressure is rising on our end as well.

We are not out for your jobs. We are not out for your airplanes. This appears to be a raw deal for us all.

Good luck.

 

[ilinipilot]

To all midwest folks

The threads on our message board turned very quickly, from yeah to Oh SHT

We have iron clad scope that limits our planes from being flown by not our pilots.

I think the fact that timmy signed the deal is STUPID. because now he is on the hook for a huge cancellation penalty. THis is a great financial deal for republic, bc we give you money, are get second in line to get it back, and then some if midwest folds.
another bonehead timmy deal, where he was outfoxed by a smarter ceo.
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[FlyWolf]

I hope all the senior Captains who gave me crap about my support for the Airtran deal are happy now, specially now that they will end up on the street with the rest of us this time.

When I said on another thread that Midwest is being realigned some guys didn't agree with me, Midwest WILL become COMPASS, and eventually a connection service for the new Delta/NWA.

here is my quote from another thread:
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Originally Posted by FlyWolf
TV9Driver, thanks, I still think we would have been much better with Airtran than NWA/TPG.

Heavy Set, even though Midwest is furloughing it is NOT out of seniority, your info is wrong.

My initial post was, Midwest is being re-aligned, I didn't say anything about Midwest continuing to fly 717.

Peace and good luck to all.
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[fam62c]

Why the hell would Republic be providing financing to Midwest? Something fishy is going on here, Republic must be getting equity for their money or something because Midwest is a serial destroyer of investment capital; just ask Northwest. Nobody in their right mind would put money into that outfit without something iron-clad in return. That lying $hitbird TH has nine lives, how in the hell does he keep his job? That guy has created some bad Karma and I hope it comes back to him in spades.

I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's? The cost to operate a fleet that small with employees that senior must be simply astronomical unless the employees work for free, which I'm sure the company will be proposing in the near future. Why not just do what they did with Skyway and subcontract out ALL of the flying and keep the holding company as a ground service company. Then you eliminate all the pilots, FA's, mechanics or dispatchers, i.e. no flight operations in house. I hope the Midwest guys don't give an inch. At least it will prevent TPG from using the Midwest certificate to create another bottom feeder carrier. At least don't give TH the satisfaction of bending you over all the way; drive those bastards into Ch. 11.

Bets of luck to all the Midwest guys, this is awful. Save the cookie but dump all the employees.....nice.

 

[B190Captain]

Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.

Midwest Connect to what?

Best of luck fellow Midwest pilots.

ALPA protecting your jobs! What a joke! You guys had a good gig going before NWA and your boss f*cked it all up. All ALPA can do is watch it happen.

 

[The Drizzle]

I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want.

The more and more we are looking at this, it looks like both managements have crafted this within a ******************** hair's edge of our scope clause. Bottom line we all get F'd in the A.

 

[Avi8tor2000]

drive those bastards into Ch. 11.

They want this to happen. Midwests' airplanes can go to Delta/NWA, and the competition is gone. Nobody honestly expects an airline with 9 717s and 12 E170s to be economically viable at all. This is simply a way of killing Midwest legally. And, yes, I feel RAH just bought their way into Delta/NWA with this "financing" deal.

 

[PCL_128]

They will be 12 EMB-170's, and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.

Only if they agree to a new contract before those 18 months are up. In other words, Timmmmay has just created a new whipsaw in order to hammer the MEH pilots into taking a crappy deal. A good thing? Hardly.

 

[FlyWolf]

http://www.todaystmj4.com/

 

[BUDDHA145]

They want this to happen. Midwests' airplanes can go to Delta/NWA, and the competition is gone. Nobody honestly expects an airline with 9 717s and 12 E170s to be economically viable at all. This is simply a way of killing Midwest legally. And, yes, I feel RAH just bought their way into Delta/NWA with this "financing" deal.

WOW!!! that will be a fuqing management Masterpice!!! az oles!!!:angryfire

Quote:
TheJCNIs
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.

I'm very sorry that you feel this way specially when Management is the one creating this B.S, but is always eassy to call some one a "SCAB"...:erm:

 

[Vegaspilot99]

I'm not there anymore, but did Skywest just get the boot with this crap deal??

 

[Morning Wood]

Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.

If there is no Midwest, why would there be a Midwest Connect?

 

[Morning Wood]

I'm not there anymore, but did Skywest just get the boot with this crap deal??

No. The 9 airplanes that SkyWest were 'asked' to remove from the Midwest Connect system were part of the original cuts YX announced back in June.

 

[FlyWolf]

Quote:
TheJCNIs
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.

I am sorry, but as a Midwest pilot I will be the first to say that I don't consider Republic pilots as scabs and think they have nothing to do with this, its our own management crap that we need to worry about, please don't use the "S" word when it really doesn't apply, the "S" word loses its effect when you do that.

 

[TheJCNIs]

sorry for my post. It was a knee jerk reaction. It shows how scope is so important. Sorry to the republic pilots being dragged into this.

 

[FlyWolf]

sorry for my post. It was a knee jerk reaction. It shows how scope is so important. Sorry to the republic pilots being dragged into this.

Believe me I know how you feel, its my 3rd furlough, we are all very outraged, we just need to point our outrage toward the right people.

Oh by the way, we all can thank Scotty for the great scope (or lack of) we currently have.

 

[dav8or]

D. Scope
1. This Agreement covers the company, any subsidiary of the
company, the company’s parent, any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and any future airline certificate(s) created as
a subsidiary of the company or subsidiary of the company’s
parent.
2. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all present and
future flying (including that international flying which originates
or terminates within the United States or its possessions) and all
charters, ferry flights (not including ferry flights of newlyacquired
aircraft prior to being placed in revenue service),
training flights, test flights, (except test flights assigned to
management), or other utilization of aircraft owned or leased by
the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company or subsidiary of the company’s parent shall be
performed by pilots on the Chautauqua Airlines Pilots’ System
Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the
company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, Airline Division.
3. The Company, Subsidiary of the Company, the Company’s
Parent or Subsidiary of the Parent shall not establish any new
airline (alter ego or otherwise) or acquire a controlling interest in
any carrier whether directly or through the Parent or another
Subsidiary of the Parent, and maintain it as a separate carrier.
A “Controlling Interest” or “Control” means the ownership of an
equity interest representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the
outstanding capital stock of an entity or voting securities
representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the total voting
power of outstanding securities then entitled to vote generally in
the election of such entity’s board of directors or other governing
body.
4. The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to
its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the
Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this
Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party
leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.​

Like how our management enters into a lease deal in direct violation of our CBA and the CEO cheerleading the good this is going to be for the two companies. This deal blows and both pilot groups are to suffer as upper managment irons out the details of the golden parachutes.

 

[j41driver]

I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's?

I'd bet the only reason is because they couldn't get Boeing to agree to take all 25 of them back.

 

[StaySeated]

"I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's?"

Or there is another plan in the background and 9 717's is the bare necessity to maintain capacity and or ME could only afford to operate 9 airframes and stay out of BK.

Call me crazy, but if you look at some of the players involved here (TPG, Replublic/Wexford) I do not think it is completely out of the question for dozens of airbus to be operated out of MKE with FR tailnumbers after the beginning of the year. Problem is, F9 and YX pilots probably won't be flying them. Total bs flightinfo speculation, but things are going to come to a head in MKE and DEN soon and the same people are pulling the equity strings.

Sorry to all of the gents at ME. Yet another great group of guys takes one on the chin. Walking away from this goat-roap is getting easier by the day.

 

[Club ORD FO]

so you guys were undercut by another airline, at it wasn't mesa? is republic becoming the next mesa??