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Morning Wood
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If there is no Midwest, why would there be a Midwest Connect?
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No. The 9 airplanes that SkyWest were 'asked' to remove from the Midwest Connect system were part of the original cuts YX announced back in June.
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TheJCNIs
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.
I am sorry, but as a Midwest pilot I will be the first to say that I don't consider Republic pilots as scabs and think they have nothing to do with this, its our own management crap that we need to worry about, please don't use the "S" word when it really doesn't apply, the "S" word loses its effect when you do that.
TheJCNIs
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.
I am sorry, but as a Midwest pilot I will be the first to say that I don't consider Republic pilots as scabs and think they have nothing to do with this, its our own management crap that we need to worry about, please don't use the "S" word when it really doesn't apply, the "S" word loses its effect when you do that.
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Believe me I know how you feel, its my 3rd furlough, we are all very outraged, we just need to point our outrage toward the right people.
Oh by the way, we all can thank Scotty for the great scope (or lack of) we currently have.
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D. Scope
1. This Agreement covers the company, any subsidiary of the
company, the company’s parent, any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and any future airline certificate(s) created as
a subsidiary of the company or subsidiary of the company’s
parent.
2. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all present and
future flying (including that international flying which originates
or terminates within the United States or its possessions) and all
charters, ferry flights (not including ferry flights of newlyacquired
aircraft prior to being placed in revenue service),
training flights, test flights, (except test flights assigned to
management), or other utilization of aircraft owned or leased by
the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company or subsidiary of the company’s parent shall be
performed by pilots on the Chautauqua Airlines Pilots’ System
Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the
company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, Airline Division.
3. The Company, Subsidiary of the Company, the Company’s
Parent or Subsidiary of the Parent shall not establish any new
airline (alter ego or otherwise) or acquire a controlling interest in
any carrier whether directly or through the Parent or another
Subsidiary of the Parent, and maintain it as a separate carrier.
A “Controlling Interest” or “Control” means the ownership of an
equity interest representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the
outstanding capital stock of an entity or voting securities
representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the total voting
power of outstanding securities then entitled to vote generally in
the election of such entity’s board of directors or other governing
body.
4. The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to
its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the
Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this
Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party
leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.
1. This Agreement covers the company, any subsidiary of the
company, the company’s parent, any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and any future airline certificate(s) created as
a subsidiary of the company or subsidiary of the company’s
parent.
2. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all present and
future flying (including that international flying which originates
or terminates within the United States or its possessions) and all
charters, ferry flights (not including ferry flights of newlyacquired
aircraft prior to being placed in revenue service),
training flights, test flights, (except test flights assigned to
management), or other utilization of aircraft owned or leased by
the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company or subsidiary of the company’s parent shall be
performed by pilots on the Chautauqua Airlines Pilots’ System
Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the
company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the
company’s parent and the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, Airline Division.
3. The Company, Subsidiary of the Company, the Company’s
Parent or Subsidiary of the Parent shall not establish any new
airline (alter ego or otherwise) or acquire a controlling interest in
any carrier whether directly or through the Parent or another
Subsidiary of the Parent, and maintain it as a separate carrier.
A “Controlling Interest” or “Control” means the ownership of an
equity interest representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the
outstanding capital stock of an entity or voting securities
representing more than fifty percent (50%) of the total voting
power of outstanding securities then entitled to vote generally in
the election of such entity’s board of directors or other governing
body.
4. The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to
its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the
Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this
Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party
leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.
Like how our management enters into a lease deal in direct violation of our CBA and the CEO cheerleading the good this is going to be for the two companies. This deal blows and both pilot groups are to suffer as upper managment irons out the details of the golden parachutes.
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I'd bet the only reason is because they couldn't get Boeing to agree to take all 25 of them back.
StaySeated
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"I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's?"
Or there is another plan in the background and 9 717's is the bare necessity to maintain capacity and or ME could only afford to operate 9 airframes and stay out of BK.
Call me crazy, but if you look at some of the players involved here (TPG, Replublic/Wexford) I do not think it is completely out of the question for dozens of airbus to be operated out of MKE with FR tailnumbers after the beginning of the year. Problem is, F9 and YX pilots probably won't be flying them. Total bs flightinfo speculation, but things are going to come to a head in MKE and DEN soon and the same people are pulling the equity strings.
Sorry to all of the gents at ME. Yet another great group of guys takes one on the chin. Walking away from this goat-roap is getting easier by the day.
Or there is another plan in the background and 9 717's is the bare necessity to maintain capacity and or ME could only afford to operate 9 airframes and stay out of BK.
Call me crazy, but if you look at some of the players involved here (TPG, Replublic/Wexford) I do not think it is completely out of the question for dozens of airbus to be operated out of MKE with FR tailnumbers after the beginning of the year. Problem is, F9 and YX pilots probably won't be flying them. Total bs flightinfo speculation, but things are going to come to a head in MKE and DEN soon and the same people are pulling the equity strings.
Sorry to all of the gents at ME. Yet another great group of guys takes one on the chin. Walking away from this goat-roap is getting easier by the day.
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The reason they are probably keeping 9 of the B717 is one to keep the certificate alive since you cant just add new planes over night. The other reason might be that someone else might own the leases not boeing so there for they are not willing to deal. Being from a deceased airline myself dont be surprised to see Republic owning midwest when this is all said and done.
Because, if it suits his fancy, Tim H. will run Midwest Connect with no mainline flights.....spew some crap about how it's in the best interests of the community...who will buy it hook line and sinker, and then extort another few million out of this place.
"Fly Midwest Connect.....We connect your fat asses places.."
If you think Timmy won't run an airline just because of a name that doesn't make sense you obviously haven't worked at Midwest Express.
Propsync
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Great minds think alike. My buddy called and told me that they got some flying. I didn't realize what expense it would come at. I figure it's the last cash preservation move by TPG until Delta/NWA gets approved. I can't figure out who's getting what payoff at the end, though. Then whatever masterplan Delta has can get executed. First would be Midwest CH.7/11. Repaint the 170's, keep them in MKE. It's a good place for 70 seaters.
CitationLover
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jravi8tor
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it's our md-80 replacement! when its all said and done the 170 looks like a mini airbus, right? timmy and management never wanted to pay the $390,000+ lease payments anyway!
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