Republic (Chautauqua) to fly 170s for Delta

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The visibility in my crystal ball is beginning to improve. How much you want to bet:
(1) The CHQ deal was negotiated with the knowledge of ALPA, before LOA 46.
(2) There are jets for jobs provisions attached.

After all, how much of Republic's seniority list are J4J guys from United and other places? Republic - the airline - not the holding company - was created to be a jets for jobs alter ego, wasn't it?

If ALPA negotiated a deal to put airplanes at non ALPA carriers just to secure favorable employment for their preferred pilots, they gonna have some 'splainin to do.

 

[79%N1]

TEX-EX >>>>>>>Whatever helps you sleep at night dude.


My two observations:

1. ALPA sux, and is WORTHless.
2. Pilots of DCI WO's are screwed.

My 1 question????

1. How does Coex avoid all this bull-sh!t??? How do they keep CAL from bidding out to CHQ, Mesa, TSA, et al? (Small code with SKYW for emb's aside)

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

WWAAHHHHH....IT'S ALPA'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S MY DADDY'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S MY MOMMIE'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S YOUR FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S HIS FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S THEIR FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT MUST BE SOMEONE ELSE FAULT...

...because it's NEVER your own GD fault you sorry whiney MFers...

 

[Cracker]

Yea, I guess these kids do not care about what the pay is as they are probably living at home with Mom and Dad (or in some lousy crashpad with 10 other starving pilots). However, pay does become an issue for those that want to think about buying a house and starting a family at some point in time. It is only then that reality sets in and they realize $20 an hour is not going to do the trick. I would think that it would be tough to support a family even on Captain pay at Chautaqua. Thanks Chautaqua for making this industry even worse (if that is at all possible).

...I hate posting on these websites, but...

5th year Captain, in training on the E170. Been throught the Saab340 and then the Emb-145 family...living comfortably in a 3 bedroom house in Chicago area, with 2 cars while being married with 2 children. I payed for college out of my own pocket with no help from my family or the government (except for students loans that don't pay for nothing).

I'm not looking for praise or sarcastic applause. I'm just politely pointing out that CHQ or Republic or whatever we call ourselves now, can afford a good life, as can any other regional airline pilot.

Happy Festivus.

 

[jetstream]

In the almost 5 years I've been a member of ALPA I've seen:

The backbone of our union broken at the regional level by the ever expanding "portfolio" of carriers.

My career oportunities limited by scope clauses designed to protect the mainline pilots.

My union's attempts at negotiating a contract all but ignored by management.

etc.


ALPA is a paper tiger that does nothing but take my money.

 

[movingviolation]

"How do you figure that the Delta PILOTS had anything to do with CHQ. Boy you were salivating like a dog when you thought those jets were coming to the WO's now they went to someone else and you're pissed at the Delta Pilot group. Grow up! It's funny before our concessionary TA everyone was saying how we were unrealistic and needed to take a pay cut to save the company. Now that we have done just that we are the scum of the earth. Look to management if you want to blame someone.

B-727 Freight Dawg
trying to get back on with SWA (a company that cares about it's employees)

I'm just telling what I have heard from other pilots there. The whole company I would imagine is equally pissed off by it all. I just said the pilots because that is the only group over there that I have any real experience wiht. I don't work for either company, so I really don't have much of a stake in this. I'm pointing out my POV from somebody on the outside.

"My general feeling on the mater is that DAL in general is still bitter about CMR going on strike" is that better? I'm just saying that I think they are doing this to CHQ to give ASA the idea that they don't want their regional's disrupting the money train. They don't want to go through that again.

 

[BID]

TEX-EX

Dude? People on this board have gotten mad at SkyWest. You might not recall, but they were pretty pissed off when we our pilots voted to get the same rates for the 50 and 70 seat aircraft. Now, we are trying to get back what we thought we deserved and guess what? Just might not happen the way our pilot group was led to perceive.

Why? Well, maybe it has something to do with the cut throat competition from other regioanl carriers. I do know with ChQ flying the emb-170 for 68.00 bucks per hour at a 6 year captain rate, it will not be easy. Mesa by the way operates the 70 seat for $64.00 per hour, at a 6 year captain rate. (ref. airlinepilotpay.com)

ALPA, no thanks. I always thought ALPA would be good at the major airline level, but now I am not so sure. The bottom line is if your company is losing money, no union will help. We might see another union drive at SkyWest, but in my opinion, it will be the result of anger towards management more than anything else. The kool-aid will need a lot of sugar next year!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The Delta mainline guys didn't like the CRJ 700, but it was ok with ASA and Conair. Now that somebody else is doing it they are pissed. It just anoys me a little to see the double standard there. Sure they are doing it for less.... but at the same time that's what ASA/CA did to DAL.

Who gives a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** who gets the flying. The only pilots who are getting the shaft are the mainline guys. How in the world did ALPA miss this boat? If you fly a regional jet for a living, you can't complain. If I were at mainline, I'd be sh1tting my pants. Watch to see all new growth flying go to Sh1tmytaco. Delta MEC GAVE it to them hahahahahahahahahahahahahah......

 

[brew3departure]

Skyway and Eagle...

Two posts a little off topic managed to catch my attention:

Jobear wrote >>

Looks like Indy is gonna eat some 328's now and furloughs and downgrades comming to Skyway.

And the mainline pilots thought 50 seaters were career killers

Jo-fuked-bear

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This is a bold statement for a company that was never part of the Delta Connection system. Why are you guys furloughing? Because you HIRED and UPGRADED a million guys because the deal with Delta to fly ACA's old 328's was "already done - just waiting on people to sign paperwork."

I didn't hear you whining and complaining when you guys were poised to fly these aircraft at the EXPENSE of a third or more of the friggin' ACA/FLYi pilots! Hypocrisy? Party of one? Your table is ready.

NOW, though, that the tables are turned, you're going to mouth off and blame CHQ/RP? You need to look squarely in the mirror at MidEx and SYX as to the failure of that deal. All three companies involved (Delta, FlyI and SYX) all strapped for cash -- end of story.

In all seriousness, I hate to see people furloughed and downgraded. I hope it doesn't last long. SYX and MidEx has a TRACK RECORD of absolutely asinine decisions -- hiring a WHOLE LOT of pilots and upgrading like crazy based solely on the deal being "ALMOST" done was foolish, especially in this revenue environment. Enough said on that.

I'll be the first to admit I don't know much, but there was a reply about twenty posts ago about Eagle/CHQ/TSA in STL. *esus *hrist - HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN OVER THIS?!! One more time...

CHQ fed TWA in STL. TWA was sold down the river to AA. Reluctantly, the agreement was transferred to AA. BEFORE this happened, however, Eagle, IIRC, was experiencing unbelieveable growth. AMR went to Eagle and said "Do you want the additional TWA flying out of STL?" And (it sounds like I'm reading verse here) Eagle said "No. We are growing too fast -- we can't adequately staff STL." Enter TSA and CHQ -- both whom fed TWA before the sale/flush.

Do a little more research before posting this trash -- just so we're clear -- YOUR FRIGGIN' COMPANY passed on the flying years ago! Simple as that!

Merry f'ing Christmas, everyone!
-brew3

-- now back to your normally scheduled bashing --

p.s. MMMDonut, don't you work for Mesa? People in glass houses, senor!

 

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...I hate posting on these websites, but...

I payed for college out of my own pocket with no help

Its is paid for college.

Usage: ALPA members have paid dearly for their union's failure to stop alter ego air carriers from undermining the efforts of their members engaged in collective bargaining.

 

[SYXDude]

In all seriousness, I hate to see people furloughed and downgraded. I hope it doesn't last long. SYX and MidEx has a TRACK RECORD of absolutely asinine decisions -- hiring a WHOLE LOT of pilots and upgrading like crazy based solely on the deal being "ALMOST" done was foolish, especially in this revenue environment. Enough said on that.

Well, neither SYX or MidEx are paying for the hiring/training or ongoing pay for the pilots on SYX's senority list. Delta is paying for all of it so SYX/MidEx's financial exposure is minimal. Past efforts/decisions might have been "asinine" but SYX's attempt to grow through contracting with Delta was/is a good idea. And, if the whole deal falls apart, it won't be because of any failures on SYX's behalf.

 

[79%N1]

 WWAAHHHHH....IT'S ALPA'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S MY DADDY'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S MY MOMMIE'S FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S YOUR FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S HIS FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT'S THEIR FAULT
WWAAHHHHH....IT MUST BE SOMEONE ELSE FAULT...

...because it's NEVER your own GD fault you sorry whiney MFers

Ok........Please explain to me how ANY of this in ANY way in WHATSOEVER MY FAULT -----A HOLE!!! If your man enough, PM me, and we can discuss it, so you can enlighten me om my role in the further whipsawing, contracting out, and dragging down of my company. I cant wait!

 

[DAL737FO]

The visibility in my crystal ball is beginning to improve. How much you want to bet:
(1) The CHQ deal was negotiated with the knowledge of ALPA, before LOA 46.
(2) There are jets for jobs provisions attached.

After all, how much of Republic's seniority list are J4J guys from United and other places? Republic - the airline - not the holding company - was created to be a jets for jobs alter ego, wasn't it?

If ALPA negotiated a deal to put airplanes at non ALPA carriers just to secure favorable employment for their preferred pilots, they gonna have some 'splainin to do.

What an idiot. I sent LOA 46 to anyone that wanted to read it. The only J4J program you will see is preferential hiring to the right seat first year pay. Yippee. Everything else you post is just pure conspiracy theory and getting real old to boot. It is stated in LOA 46 that any connection airline that takes delivery of any additional 70 seaters will give preferential hiring to a Delta furloughee. You're just pissed because CHQ is doing to you what you guys have been doing to mainline since 911. Cheaper labor.

B-727 Freight Dawg

 

[Cracker]

Its is paid for college.

Usage: ALPA members have paid dearly for their union's failure to stop alter ego air carriers from undermining the efforts of their members engaged in collective bargaining.

Sorry about that...see what happens when you go to a public university.

 

[GFunk20]

You're just pissed because CHQ is doing to you what you guys have been doing to mainline since 911. Cheaper labor.

B-727 Freight Dawg

Exactly!! Like I said, if this deal was for ASA/Comair to get CRJ700s, these guys would be totally happy. But since Chautauqua gets it, all of a sudden its absolutely unacceptable and life is over. Grow up guys.

The public is sick of the CRJ700. The EMB-170 flown by Chautauqua with HAPPY employees is a way better product anyday. Delta knows it.

 

[michael707767]

I can't figure out why anyone is shocked by this. Did you think the company asked for the changes in definition of a 70 seater which would allow the E-170 just for grins? Did you really think they would add another fleet type at ASA and or CMR, even if you are cheaper than CHQ? Did you think they would add to our debt to add the E-170 when CHQ or someone like them could do it and the debt is theirs not Delta's? Did you think Delta would not continue to add to the DCI arsenal to spread the flying and minimize the risk of a strike? Did you think something like this would not happen while ASA was in contract talks?

Anyone who is surprised by this move is either a fool or just doesn't pay attention to whats going on.

Let me add to the ASA and CMR guys, if you think it will end with 16 E-170s at CHQ, you are kidding yourself. And for the Delta guys, if you think it will end with the E-170, you are also kidding yourself.

 

[tron4000]

The public is sick of the CRJ700. The EMB-170 flown by Chautauqua with HAPPY employees is a way better product anyday. Delta knows it.

Hey, pass that Embraer KOOLAID-NOW WITH HAPPY FLAVOR-, I WANT SOME!!! Bryan Bedford must be pouring it down your throats in Indoc.

 

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Let me add to the ASA and CMR guys, if you think it will end with 16 E-170s at CHQ, you are kidding yourself.

You are correct. But, I do not think this will go beyond the E series jets. And I think there will be a deal which places Delta pilots in these seats.

It is getting very close to time to decertify ALPA on the ASA property. Very close.

 

[michael707767]

And I think there will be a deal which places Delta pilots in these seats.

Just curious why you think that? I mean, right now they can add all the allowed addition 70 seaters with nothing more than preferential hiring for the furloughed DAL guys (which means bottom of the list at CHQ). The Delta MEC has absolutely no leverage to negotiate a J4J deal for the E-170s. Now, I could see a deal where they do J4J if Delta wants CHQ to fly the E-190s. But I do think the Delta MEC will cave on allowing outsourcing up to 100 seats.

 

[BoilerUP]

Delta pilots complain that the WO small jet providers undercut their salary, and are whores of the industry. CMR/ASA grow in leaps and bounds. CHQ (non-ALPA) becomes a DCI carrier, and CMR/ASA complain that the contract small jet providers undercut their salary, and are whores of the industry.

And the circle of life goes round...

Merry Christmas to everybody on this board, regardless of what airline you work for or what your hourly pay rate is. May we all still have jobs at this point next year, and all do better on our next contract.