Republic (Chautauqua) to fly 170s for Delta

[Traumahawk]

Alright look, this has gone far enough. Would the Chautauqua pilot who told management and DCI to get the Delta 170 contract just come forward. C'mon...come on out. We know it's you, you can't hide forever.

What a sick jokester this guy....

 

[movingviolation]

Gosh, I'd be so much more threatened by a 70 seat jungle jet compaired to a 70 pax CRJ.....

 

[Heavy Set]

Wow! That's a huge deal in terms of closing the door on major growth for Comair and ASA. Yes, I too would be pi$$ed if I were an ASA or Comair pilot - the growth is going to non-owned companies... Your careers are on hold while other people with probably fewer hours will be flying bigger airplanes for less money... What a screwed up business!

I had my chance to fly on an E170 a few weeks ago - super nice airplane (seemed like a nicer-version of an Airbus with a more advanced flight deck).

 

[CarjCapt]

. Anybody got the number for that truck driving school?

1-800-BIG-RIGS

 

[ERJDRVR]

...........

 

[GFunk20]

Why is it totally ok for Comair/ASA to fly CRJ700s but all of a sudden "taking jobs away and ruining the industry" when CHQ flies an EMB-170?

Sounds a bit hypocritical. BOTH ARE JUST 70 SEATERS!!

We CHQ pilots don't decide this stuff. Talk to Delta's CEO, Fred at DCI or Republic's CEO Bryan Bedford.

 

[movingviolation]

The Delta mainline guys didn't like the CRJ 700, but it was ok with ASA and Conair. Now that somebody else is doing it they are pissed. It just anoys me a little to see the double standard there. Sure they are doing it for less.... but at the same time that's what ASA/CA did to DAL.

 

[wheelsup]

Why is it totally ok for Comair/ASA to fly CRJ700s but all of a sudden "taking jobs away and ruining the industry" when CHQ flies an EMB-170?

Sounds a bit hypocritical. BOTH ARE JUST 70 SEATERS!!

We CHQ pilots don't decide this stuff. Talk to Delta's CEO, Fred at DCI or Republic's CEO Bryan Bedford.

I believe what they're upset with is that CHQ is getting those 70 seaters because they cost mother D less to operate than if say ASA or Comair had them. So ASA and Comair growth is non-existant while other carriers grow leaps and bounds because pilots get paid less which allows CHQ (according to ASA and Comair) to "undercut" i.e. underbid those two respective companies.

Comair now has a good contract, as does ASA. Those pilots are upset because the work they've done getting better contracts (remember that 90+ day strike Comair went on awhile back) is pointless because other pilots accept lower pay.

Here is my question...what is the operating cost of the RJ's these days? It's gotta be (including fuel) something on the order of $3000/hr. How could pilots making even $20/hr less each really affect the bottom line? CHQ MUST have a more efficient structure than Comair or ASA...we're talking about 1.3% of the aircrafts' direct operating costs in pay difference here (using the $3000/hr and $20/hr less for each pilot example). I would tend to think this is why they're getting the contract, not simply because of pilot pay.

I really can't see pilot pay being the driving force behind one company getting a contract over another, surely there MUST be other forces at work here.

Thoughts? Or am I totally off base?!?

~wheelsup

 

[low-key]

I once knew a girl from salt lake city
with juicy lips and big fake titties
she ran real quick, she ran on gas
she had a V8 poussy and a cadillac ass

just go to work and go home, let mgmt do their thing, remeber folks, were just drones in this hive, the queen bee makes ALL the decisions.

 

[LearLove]

Camair and ASA... welcome to the WO world.

 

[NuGuy]

Comair and ASA... welcome to the WO world.

Man, no kidding. This reminds me of the USAir/Piedmont/Allegheny drama...from 1995...its the exact same thing just with different players.

Advice to ASA and Comair dudes: take a good, close, hard look at what happened at US. In 1993 PDT had what was arguably the best contract in regional history (god, even a 'A' fund...imagine that!) and was the number 6 or 7 regional in the country in RPMs.

First we were told "ahh, don't worry about FloridaGulf, they are just doing the piddly stuff we don't want to do" and next thing you know, Mesa is running RJs cause US can't "get delivery slots", and the rest is history....

Good luck to you guys...

Nu

PS. The last DC-9-10 at NW was retired. They held 78 seats, and for a 3 year FO paid around $100/hr and around $170 for a 10 year captain.

 

[movingviolation]

I know a the DAL pilots are still bitter about that whole 90 day thing. They seem to think comair pilots are the scum of the earth... The rumor I hear coming out of there is that they are looking to do whatever they can to screw comair over after they got it from them a while back. That's one of the reasons they brought on CHQ to begin with (they basically gave them the MCO base). They can't afford to have ASA do that to them, so I think they are giving everybody a sign. That's just my .02 yen (which is worth a Lot less than 2 cents).

 

[FDJ2]

So let me get this straight...You back the growth of non-ALPA carriers at the expense of ALPA carriers because you're trying to prove a point?

Where did I say I support any of this? I thought I made it clear that this was a concessionary contract that sux. You might want to get use to that word concessionary. You will no longer going to be living in your sheltered world with plentiful growth and limited competition. There's an RJ glut and the RJ vendors that can compete for the contracts will grow and thrive and those that can't will whither on the vine. Competition has come to DCI, Get use to it. Lucky for you the Delta pilots expended some much needed negotiating capital to at least get you some DCI scope.

Most importantly, we didn't rub it in your face when bad news came your way.

That is an amazing statement coming from a pilot group that refused to support the hiring of furloughed Delta pilots. You're amazing.

Its really no consolation that we called you out on that baseless "brand scope," deal you promised would make everything better, because it obviously didn't stop the very thing we wanted it to prevent.

Who promised you that it would be all better over night? At least the Delta pilots have stepped up to the plate to get the ball rolling on brand scope. What have you done besides deny ALPA pilots who are furloughed a job?

Instead you changed the rules to allow it!


Be specific, what rules have we changed that put you out of the running for this growth opportunity? BVT, as soon as we conceded the E-170, was there ever any doubt that it was coming to DCI?

Contrary to popular belief, Comair has the lowest cost structure of all the regionals, yes even lower than CHQ.

We really don't know the true numbers on CMR. Delta does not release CMR's actual costs to the public and DAL hasn't done that since CMR was acquired as a wholly owned subsidiary. But what we do know is that CMR has failed to get any growth aircraft in the last two RFPs, while every other DCI carrier has. Kind of makes you wonder why CMR is so non competitive for all this future DCI growth.

CHQ won the flying because Delta couldn't take any more debt.

Do you have a source for that statement? Delta has never had a problem getting financing for RJs. It's my understanding that Delta cosigned for the loan and the agreement was based on a 14 year commitment from DAL to these 170's. If US could get the funding in BK, do you really want to make the argument that DAL couldn't outside of BK?

Now do you see why the RJDC is thriving as much as they are. The more you abuse the Comair pilots, the deeper the RJDC pockets are going to get...and I never supported them!

And you think an RJDC victory would facilitate creating brand scope. Now that's funny. The RJDC is going nowhere. 9 out of 10 claims summarily dismissed before discovery. Yeah, they're on a roll. Here we are a year and a half into discovery and they still can't present a case. LOL.

 

[FDJ2]

The guys who founded the RJDC were supporters of the PID (merger request) which would have resulted in all Delta flying being performedby Delta pilots.

Don't paint the RJDC with this brush.

So if the PID was agreed to, all the list would have been miraculously integrated and all DAL flying would have been miraculously flown by pilots on that list? You don't think for a second that DAL would have had something to say about it do you? LOL

 

[bailout]

>>CVG has plenty of gates in the A Concourse that DL mainline hardly uses.<<

Where would that be? ASA uses 90% of them and CHQ uses the few at the end. All with no Jetways.