Republic (Chautauqua) to fly 170s for Delta

[labbats]

Anyone who is surprised by this decision should go out and get a reality check. Sad but true.

 

[bvt1151]

Congratulations ALPA on taking jobs away from ALPA carriers and giving them to the Teamsters.

How's about a due's refund?

 

[Smoked Toilet]

F REPUBLIC​

Guppy killing B a s t a r d s. No respect for the industry.

Mesa and Republic are head to head in the race......The race to the bottom that is. Who's gonna win, another poll perhaps?

 

[FDJ2]

Congratulations CHQ. I can't say I'm surprised. Will DAL furloughed pilots be given preferential hiring at CHQ as a result of this award?

 

[jobear]

Looks like Indy is gonna eat some 328's now and furloughs and downgrades comming to Skyway.

And the mainline pilots thought 50 seaters were career killers

Jo-fuked-bear

 

[MedFlyer]

Even if Comair/ASA had costs like Chautauqua, I still don't believe they would have a chance at getting these planes. Here's a few reasons:

1) Financing - DL is buried in debt and has crap for credit. DL would have an extremely difficult time financing these planes for ASA/CMR to fly. Therefore, it's no surprise DL wants CHQ to finance the planes.

2) Fleet Commonality - I can't imagine DL wants to have regionals that operate both CRJ700's and EMB170's. The added costs aren't worth it.

Comair and ASA weren't ever in the running for these planes.

The really bad news for DL pilots is that these planes will likely be used to help replace the retiring 732's. DL can't afford to get a new 100 seater for mainline, so they'll get the closest thing possible. Notice how these planes are getting first class too....sounds like mainline replacement to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if this order is increased later this year (probably up to about 40). DL will need something to compete with JBLU's EMB190's and the best weapon they will have are the EMB170's. DL mainline planes are too costly (gas guzzling 732's won't cut it), while the CRJ700 is simply not competitive with the EMB170/190 line (god help me, I sound like lowecur!!!).

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

Congratulations ALPA on taking jobs away from ALPA carriers and giving them to the Teamsters.

How's about a due's refund?

I figured some dipsh!t would find a way to blame ALPA. Amazing how incredibly STUPID some people can be. Look in the mirror next time you need to point your finger and blame someone.

 

[sleepy]

I am really surprised that DALPA let these go to any connection carrier, much less the one with the lowest pay.

It will be interesting to see how they are used. To replace which mainline aircraft?

I'll bet that the furloughed DAL pilots who's recall was bargained away by DALPA (allowing retired pilots to come back and fly, then allowing DAL to slow the recall of furloughed pilots even after you won the grievance) would love to fly them.

How much of a bonus did DAL just pay-out to top management?

 

[flyinglow]

Wow what a nice Christmas present for you ASA and CMR folks. I am sure that you guys will give those Chittyoawqoiuqwopriuiqp (however it is spelled) 3 year Captains a nice welcome at your ramps in ATL and CVG.

I thought I read the other day that Grinstein had employee moral on the top of his list for the company. Moral must now be at an all time high with this announcment.

Unfortuntaley I think this is going to get ugly. I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few fist fights between crews at hotels and in the van. That will have to part of the contract, to separate crews.

Bottom Feeders win again.

 

[FDJ2]

Even if Comair/ASA had costs like Chautauqua, I still don't believe they would have a chance at getting these planes. Here's a few reasons:

1) Financing - DL is buried in debt and has crap for credit. DL would have an extremely difficult time financing these planes for ASA/CMR to fly. Therefore, it's no surprise DL wants CHQ to finance the planes.

2) Fleet Commonality - I can't imagine DL wants to have regionals that operate both CRJ700's and EMB170's. The added costs aren't worth it.

Comair and ASA weren't ever in the running for these planes.

The really bad news for DL pilots is that these planes will likely be used to help replace the retiring 732's. DL can't afford to get a new 100 seater for mainline, so they'll get the closest thing possible. Notice how these planes are getting first class too....sounds like mainline replacement to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if this order is increased later this year (probably up to about 40). DL will need something to compete with JBLU's EMB190's and the best weapon they will have are the EMB170's. DL mainline planes are too costly (gas guzzling 732's won't cut it), while the CRJ700 is simply not competitive with the EMB170/190 line (god help me, I sound like lowecur!!!).

Unfortunately MedFlyer I agree with most of the above except #1 Financing. DAL has never had trouble getting financing for DCI aircraft.

 

[79%N1]

I figured some dipsh!t would find a way to blame ALPA. Amazing how incredibly STUPID some people can be. Look in the mirror next time you need to point your finger and blame someoneYea, my bad........I'll do that! Yep, my fault! It was my 19.02/hr first year pay -------or is it my 35.00/hr 3rd year pay that is to blame???? What an absolute freakin' joke that is! Another proponent of all of us working for nothing being the only way to level the playing field!

There is only 1 answer to this, and ALPA should be pushing it......One list (Regionals stapled to the bottom) All flying done by 1 company. If Delta want CHQ, then they would need to buy them.

 

[FDJ2]

I am really surprised that DALPA let these go to any connection carrier, much less the one with the lowest pay.

Sleepy, it sux to be so close to BK you have to surrender additional scope just to compete. This new contract of ours, which all too many of you were happy to see, was a real step back for the profession. As for outsourcing to small jet vendors, I guess it was o.k. for you when you were the cheapest game in town and DALPA allowed the outsourcing of RJ50s and RJ70s. It was great and you basked in the growth offered to you because you were all too willing to do it for less then the mainline, but these are different times. You were probably happy to see DAL get additional authority to outsource more and larger aircraft. But now you have to deal with the bitter pill that you are no longer competitive for these growth aircraft up for bid.

 

[bvt1151]

Sleepy, it sux to be so close to BK you have to surrender additional scope just to compete. This new contract of ours, which all too many of you were happy to see, was a real step back for the profession. As for outsourcing to small jet vendors, I guess it was o.k. for you when you were the cheapest game in town and DALPA allowed the outsourcing of RJ50s and RJ70s. It was great and you basked in the growth offered to you because you were all too willing to do it for less then the mainline, but these are different times. You were probably happy to see DAL get additional authority to outsource more and larger aircraft. But now you have to deal with the bitter pill that you are no longer competitive for these growth aircraft up for bid.

So let me get this straight...You back the growth of non-ALPA carriers at the expense of ALPA carriers because you're trying to prove a point? How childish are you? Comair never flew a jet comparable to a mainline jet. We never underbid you on the very same sized aircraft you flew. Most importantly, we didn't rub it in your face when bad news came your way.

Contrary to popular belief, Comair has the lowest cost structure of all the regionals, yes even lower than CHQ. CHQ won the flying because Delta couldn't take any more debt, and because DALPA allowed it. Its really no consolation that we called you out on that baseless "brand scope," deal you promised would make everything better, because it obviously didn't stop the very thing we wanted it to prevent. Instead you changed the rules to allow it!

So what are a group of pilots to do with a union who has failed to represent their interest?

Now do you see why the RJDC is thriving as much as they are. The more you abuse the Comair pilots, the deeper the RJDC pockets are going to get...and I never supported them!

 

[Afixedwing]

$66 @ hour for a 5 year 70 seat Capt?!? YGTBSM! Even Mesa pays more than that.

No, they pay 62.

 

[MedFlyer]

DAL has never had trouble getting financing for DCI aircraft.

That's because the financing has always been done through Bombardier.

Bombardier has known for some time that the plane they were producing was inferior (in terms of pax comfort). In order to keep orders coming and keep carriers from buying Embraer planes, Bombardier has always been willing to help out with financing (particularly for a large client like DL).

Also, keep in mind that most of the RJ's were originally financed when DL was viewed in a better light. Among all the legacy carriers, DL had a strong balance sheet after 9/11. This allowed them to easily obtain financing for the RJ's that were delivered between 02 and 04. But times have changed and DL is viewed in a less positive light. Attractive financing would be much harder to get.