Republic (Chautauqua) to fly 170s for Delta

[MedFlyer]

Even if Comair/ASA had costs like Chautauqua, I still don't believe they would have a chance at getting these planes. Here's a few reasons:

1) Financing - DL is buried in debt and has crap for credit. DL would have an extremely difficult time financing these planes for ASA/CMR to fly. Therefore, it's no surprise DL wants CHQ to finance the planes.

2) Fleet Commonality - I can't imagine DL wants to have regionals that operate both CRJ700's and EMB170's. The added costs aren't worth it.

Comair and ASA weren't ever in the running for these planes.

The really bad news for DL pilots is that these planes will likely be used to help replace the retiring 732's. DL can't afford to get a new 100 seater for mainline, so they'll get the closest thing possible. Notice how these planes are getting first class too....sounds like mainline replacement to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if this order is increased later this year (probably up to about 40). DL will need something to compete with JBLU's EMB190's and the best weapon they will have are the EMB170's. DL mainline planes are too costly (gas guzzling 732's won't cut it), while the CRJ700 is simply not competitive with the EMB170/190 line (god help me, I sound like lowecur!!!).

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

Congratulations ALPA on taking jobs away from ALPA carriers and giving them to the Teamsters.

How's about a due's refund?

I figured some dipsh!t would find a way to blame ALPA. Amazing how incredibly STUPID some people can be. Look in the mirror next time you need to point your finger and blame someone.

 

[sleepy]

I am really surprised that DALPA let these go to any connection carrier, much less the one with the lowest pay.

It will be interesting to see how they are used. To replace which mainline aircraft?

I'll bet that the furloughed DAL pilots who's recall was bargained away by DALPA (allowing retired pilots to come back and fly, then allowing DAL to slow the recall of furloughed pilots even after you won the grievance) would love to fly them.

How much of a bonus did DAL just pay-out to top management?

 

[flyinglow]

Wow what a nice Christmas present for you ASA and CMR folks. I am sure that you guys will give those Chittyoawqoiuqwopriuiqp (however it is spelled) 3 year Captains a nice welcome at your ramps in ATL and CVG.

I thought I read the other day that Grinstein had employee moral on the top of his list for the company. Moral must now be at an all time high with this announcment.

Unfortuntaley I think this is going to get ugly. I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few fist fights between crews at hotels and in the van. That will have to part of the contract, to separate crews.

Bottom Feeders win again.

 

[FDJ2]

Even if Comair/ASA had costs like Chautauqua, I still don't believe they would have a chance at getting these planes. Here's a few reasons:

1) Financing - DL is buried in debt and has crap for credit. DL would have an extremely difficult time financing these planes for ASA/CMR to fly. Therefore, it's no surprise DL wants CHQ to finance the planes.

2) Fleet Commonality - I can't imagine DL wants to have regionals that operate both CRJ700's and EMB170's. The added costs aren't worth it.

Comair and ASA weren't ever in the running for these planes.

The really bad news for DL pilots is that these planes will likely be used to help replace the retiring 732's. DL can't afford to get a new 100 seater for mainline, so they'll get the closest thing possible. Notice how these planes are getting first class too....sounds like mainline replacement to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if this order is increased later this year (probably up to about 40). DL will need something to compete with JBLU's EMB190's and the best weapon they will have are the EMB170's. DL mainline planes are too costly (gas guzzling 732's won't cut it), while the CRJ700 is simply not competitive with the EMB170/190 line (god help me, I sound like lowecur!!!).

Unfortunately MedFlyer I agree with most of the above except #1 Financing. DAL has never had trouble getting financing for DCI aircraft.

 

[79%N1]

I figured some dipsh!t would find a way to blame ALPA. Amazing how incredibly STUPID some people can be. Look in the mirror next time you need to point your finger and blame someoneYea, my bad........I'll do that! Yep, my fault! It was my 19.02/hr first year pay -------or is it my 35.00/hr 3rd year pay that is to blame???? What an absolute freakin' joke that is! Another proponent of all of us working for nothing being the only way to level the playing field!

There is only 1 answer to this, and ALPA should be pushing it......One list (Regionals stapled to the bottom) All flying done by 1 company. If Delta want CHQ, then they would need to buy them.

 

[FDJ2]

I am really surprised that DALPA let these go to any connection carrier, much less the one with the lowest pay.

Sleepy, it sux to be so close to BK you have to surrender additional scope just to compete. This new contract of ours, which all too many of you were happy to see, was a real step back for the profession. As for outsourcing to small jet vendors, I guess it was o.k. for you when you were the cheapest game in town and DALPA allowed the outsourcing of RJ50s and RJ70s. It was great and you basked in the growth offered to you because you were all too willing to do it for less then the mainline, but these are different times. You were probably happy to see DAL get additional authority to outsource more and larger aircraft. But now you have to deal with the bitter pill that you are no longer competitive for these growth aircraft up for bid.

 

[bvt1151]

Sleepy, it sux to be so close to BK you have to surrender additional scope just to compete. This new contract of ours, which all too many of you were happy to see, was a real step back for the profession. As for outsourcing to small jet vendors, I guess it was o.k. for you when you were the cheapest game in town and DALPA allowed the outsourcing of RJ50s and RJ70s. It was great and you basked in the growth offered to you because you were all too willing to do it for less then the mainline, but these are different times. You were probably happy to see DAL get additional authority to outsource more and larger aircraft. But now you have to deal with the bitter pill that you are no longer competitive for these growth aircraft up for bid.

So let me get this straight...You back the growth of non-ALPA carriers at the expense of ALPA carriers because you're trying to prove a point? How childish are you? Comair never flew a jet comparable to a mainline jet. We never underbid you on the very same sized aircraft you flew. Most importantly, we didn't rub it in your face when bad news came your way.

Contrary to popular belief, Comair has the lowest cost structure of all the regionals, yes even lower than CHQ. CHQ won the flying because Delta couldn't take any more debt, and because DALPA allowed it. Its really no consolation that we called you out on that baseless "brand scope," deal you promised would make everything better, because it obviously didn't stop the very thing we wanted it to prevent. Instead you changed the rules to allow it!

So what are a group of pilots to do with a union who has failed to represent their interest?

Now do you see why the RJDC is thriving as much as they are. The more you abuse the Comair pilots, the deeper the RJDC pockets are going to get...and I never supported them!

 

[Afixedwing]

$66 @ hour for a 5 year 70 seat Capt?!? YGTBSM! Even Mesa pays more than that.

No, they pay 62.

 

[MedFlyer]

DAL has never had trouble getting financing for DCI aircraft.

That's because the financing has always been done through Bombardier.

Bombardier has known for some time that the plane they were producing was inferior (in terms of pax comfort). In order to keep orders coming and keep carriers from buying Embraer planes, Bombardier has always been willing to help out with financing (particularly for a large client like DL).

Also, keep in mind that most of the RJ's were originally financed when DL was viewed in a better light. Among all the legacy carriers, DL had a strong balance sheet after 9/11. This allowed them to easily obtain financing for the RJ's that were delivered between 02 and 04. But times have changed and DL is viewed in a less positive light. Attractive financing would be much harder to get.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Does anyone know what the minimums are to apply to Republic? I think it would be so cool to tell everyone I know that I am a Delta Pilot flying the "big" jets. Also, is it true that the pay is actually $20 an hour? Wow, that is a lot of money isn't it? I might even be able to afford an apartment with three other Republic pilots. Anyways, if anyone can tell me how to apply to Republic, I would greatly appreciate it!

 

[bailout]

>>I am sure that you guys will give those Chittyoawqoiuqwopriuiqp (however it is spelled) 3 year Captains a nice welcome at your ramps in ATL and CVG.<<

Who said they were coming to ATL or CVG? Dont they have to use jetways? Even if they do, that would be interesting. We/they have no jetbridges. (i guess they could use stairways of some sort? although that would mean a complete new set of challenges for the ramp. 20 minutes after parking, "Ops, we need a stairway at stand 33!", "Copy"..!) And would they fit the new parking scheme anyway?

 

[jobear]

Angry BUMP

 

[Norman Defore]

Is the RJDC going to sue CHQ now?

Thats a good one Launchpad.

 

[MedFlyer]

>>I am sure that you guys will give those Chittyoawqoiuqwopriuiqp (however it is spelled) 3 year Captains a nice welcome at your ramps in ATL and CVG.<<

Who said they were coming to ATL or CVG? Dont they have to use jetways? Even if they do, that would be interesting. We/they have no jetbridges. (i guess they could use stairways of some sort? although that would mean a complete new set of challenges for the ramp. 20 minutes after parking, "Ops, we need a stairway at stand 33!", "Copy"..!) And would they fit the new parking scheme anyway?

CVG has plenty of gates in the A Concourse that DL mainline hardly uses.

ATL could be more difficult.

 

[nimtz]

So when do you suppose the furloughed guys get back to DAL now? 2008? 2010? 2015? Well CHQ congrats but you can bet these eyes will be squarely on your pilot group's actions in June 2007. The question now is how soon until the rest of the majors cave on 90 seaters as Cactus has. Anybody got the number for that truck driving school?

 

[ASAFOE120]

Well ok, I guess this is how I see it now (especially after reading mgmts remarks on ASACONTRACT.COM). We have no control over who gets additional flying in the future. Even if we cave in on our next contract and give mgmt their "zero net gain contract", that would not assure us of any growth.

So really the only thing we can control is what we get on our next contract. Therefore, we need to support our negotiating committee 100% and get everything possible we can on this next contract. And I mean INDUSTRY LEADING!! WITH FULL RETRO PAY!!! And I'm willing to shut ATL down for a while if need be. (See how big D and ASA mgmt like that when we're the only feed running 400-500 flights a day out of ATL). We might as well accept the way the industry is now and just make the best of what we can control.

We need a good, no, great contract NOW! Especially if I'm gonna sit right seat for another 4 years!

Just my thoughts after the recent events.

oh yeah, congrats to the Rep/Chq guys on the additional growth. Yall just drive the bus where they tell yall to just like we do. No hard feelings here.

 

[amcnd]

No one realy belived how mad Eagle pilots were when CHQ/TSA took all the AA feed in STL. Now maybe you can live a day in our shoes. Im sure they will tell you it was there TWA flying anyway... but its all the same. Our Eagle contract says they will agresively seek more flying. But when CHQ can under cut Eagle's 16 year contract, then you guys are out of luck.

But all in all, dont get mad at there pilots, get mad at Delta managment. After all they are the ones calling the shots.

 

[letthebigdogeat]

Congratulations...

Welcome to the family **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**aqa. With that said, don't expect to be treated as such. We will forever know who our true bretheren are and who aren't. Let the family feud begin. And now I'm going to be sick!

 

[lowecur]

CVG has plenty of gates in the A Concourse that DL mainline hardly uses.

ATL could be more difficult.

I think Greenjeans said that they plan to do more pt to pt with new route structure. I think you will see these planes on routes where B6, & UAIR will use their E-jets against DL. They will be used defensively. You may also see them go after AirTran at first in Buf & Rochester on the direct flts to Florida.