Regional Pilots Kill 228 People by Pulling up After Stall Warning

[The Drizzle]

and had a vertical speed of 10,912ft/min.

ouch.

 

[SLUF4]

it's a little different sitting here thinking about it with all the time in the world than when its actually happening at night in IMC with all sorts of bells and whistles going off and getting incorrect data from your instruments

 

[dougdrvr]

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/learmount/2011/05/air_france_447_the_facts_and_w.html

The companion piece is also fascinating

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ous-flaws-in-pilot-training-for-handling.html

 

[filejw]

it's a little different sitting here thinking about it with all the time in the world than when its actually happening at night in IMC with all sorts of bells and whistles going off and getting incorrect data from your instruments

More than one 121 carrier has been using a very similar scenario to this in recurrent trying to replicate this event. Two of my friends from different AB operations described it as unsettling as it happened quickly and was very confusing.

 

[Kaman]

it's a little different sitting here thinking about it with all the time in the world than when its actually happening at night in IMC with all sorts of bells and whistles going off and getting incorrect data from your instruments[/QUOTE

Agreed, and I don't think anyone is trying disparage the names of the pilots involved in this accident. Clearly, something is beginning raise it's ugly head in the flying business and how pilots are being trained.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Too much book and legal [stuff], and not enough "pilot [stuff]"

Did we REALLY think we were getting better pilots by dumbing down the PTS - stalls, spins, MCA, etc.? How about that whole FAA mandate about maintaining altitude during the (immanent) stall recovery?

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Pitch and power never fails...

How does that work out when you have a blocked pitot tube? Perhaps the pilots were getting an increasing speed (performance) indication with an ever increasing altitude and pitch attitude. That sure would be confusing when you're flying at night, in severe turbulence at 4 am in you home time zone.

 

[dougdrvr]

How does that work out when you have a blocked pitot tube? Perhaps the pilots were getting an increasing speed (performance) indication with an ever increasing altitude and pitch attitude. That sure would be confusing when you're flying at night, in severe turbulence at 4 am in you home time zone.

He said "pitch and power", nothing about airspeed. Sometimes you just have to know what's impossible and what's not. You can go all the way back to the Northwest Orient 727 that crashed, many moons ago, due to the pitot heat never being turned on. (which resulted in mandatory pitot heat OFF/FAIL lights)

From what I've gathered so far, no one has mentioned the indication of severe turbulence, which would certainly show up in the G trace of the DFDR.

 

[OurMoney1]

Isnt it true that Airbus pilots dont train for stalls only slow speed awareness? Anyone? Seriously?

 

[damnflyboy]

Congress has to act on this now! 10,000 hrs to be a 121 FO. Anyone with less than 15,000 hrs is on the low time pilot observation program!

Bravo. Love the thread title.