Regional Pilots Kill 228 People by Pulling up After Stall Warning

[777forever]

(CNN) -- Pilots of the Air France flight that crashed in 2009 and plummeted 38,000 ft in just three minutes and 30 seconds, lost vital speed data, France's Bureau of Investigation and Analysis (BEA) said Friday.
Pilots on the aircraft got conflicting air speeds in the minutes leading up to the crash, the interim reports states. The aircraft climbed to 38,000 ft when "the stall warning was triggered and the airplane stalled," the report says.
Aviation experts are asking why the pilots responded to the stall by pulling the nose up instead of pushing it down to recover.

Congress has to act on this now! 10,000 hrs to be a 121 FO. Anyone with less than 15,000 hrs is on the low time pilot observation program!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Pitch and power never fails...

 

[ejpogo]

Actually, it should be more important to monitor the pilots from foreign countries that fly into the US. It is very common to have 250 hour FOs at carriers in India and Mexico. If we have to hire pilots with X number of hours, we should also have some system that monitor the quality of pilots and mx from foreign carriers that fly into here. We may be safer with better pilots, but without cabotage protections, we will be a a severe financial disadvantage to foreign carriers with code sharing or other rights to carry US passengers. I think it is important to have some better limits on 121 pilots, but we need to look at the overall picture of what could happen if we do not put other safeguards into effect.

Eric Pogo

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Actually, it should be more important to monitor the pilots from foreign countries that fly into the US. It is very common to have 250 hour FOs at carriers in India and Mexico. If we have to hire pilots with X number of hours, we should also have some system that monitor the quality of pilots and mx from foreign carriers that fly into here. We may be safer with better pilots, but without cabotage protections, we will be a a severe financial disadvantage to foreign carriers with code sharing or other rights to carry US passengers. I think it is important to have some better limits on 121 pilots, but we need to look at the overall picture of what could happen if we do not put other safeguards into effect.

Eric Pogo

Several Indian pilots were shown to have had forged flight times, as well.

There was even an incident where the CA left and the FO inadvertantly put the plane into a dive and couldnt recover. CA initally had trouble getting into the flightdeck before recovering.

Scary stuff.

 

[ex j-41]

Congress has to act on this now! 10,000 hrs to be a 121 FO. Anyone with less than 15,000 hrs is on the low time pilot observation program!

No, all pilots must have graduated from one of the harvards of flight training. If you didn't go to Riddle or Purdue then you can't fly at an airline. Safety First!












Sarcasm.....

 

[Kaman]

We cannot yet determine from the evidence that has presented that the crew responded incorrectly. However, it does point out that there is too much reliance upon automated systems that not only aren't 100% reliable, but create a dangerous loss of basic airmanship skills that isn't being compensated for by increasing training requirements for basic instrument skills and airmanship. Unfortunately, not enough people have died yet for things to change...

 

[LJ45]

Pitch and power never fails...

Bingo! basic stick and rudder skills need to be taught from Day 1 to the last day.

 

[filejw]

Actually, it should be more important to monitor the pilots from foreign countries that fly into the US. It is very common to have 250 hour FOs at carriers in India and Mexico. If we have to hire pilots with X number of hours, we should also have some system that monitor the quality of pilots and mx from foreign carriers that fly into here. We may be safer with better pilots, but without cabotage protections, we will be a a severe financial disadvantage to foreign carriers with code sharing or other rights to carry US passengers. I think it is important to have some better limits on 121 pilots, but we need to look at the overall picture of what could happen if we do not put other safeguards into effect.

Eric Pogo

If you were to stay on topic you would note that this AF pilot had 3500 hrs..The question is why did he increase pitch when he was at such a low speed. I think you would note that investigators will ask is it poor training or did he not recognize the situation as a low speed stall for some reason.

 

[Kaman]

If you were to stay on topic you would note that this AF pilot had 3500 hrs..The question is why did he increase pitch when he was at such a low speed. I think you would note that investigators will ask is it poor training or did he not recognize the situation as a low speed stall for some reason.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the pilots lost situational awareness to due ambiguous data being displayed on their airspeed tapes. We won't really know why that happened (if ever) until all the data has been gathered, reduced and presented in a report. We can speculate all-day long about different theories, but the simplest is more often than not correct. It is baffling to me that they wouldn't revert to their standby instruments and use basic attitude instrument flying skills to maintain level flight at a safe airspeed and then figuring out a way to navigate and then communicate...

 

[Kaman]

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