Reality Check for NetJets Pilots

[Les Paul]

Les.................what's up? Why the need to stir the pot here? Are you a Frac pilot? You made a point of bashing a non Major pilot for being on that board, so why are you over here? Cheap way to feel superior and get your kicks?
If it makes you happy. Whatever. I get a kick out of your posts. Kind of like the Sunday comics.

The comprehension level on this forums never cease to amaze me. For a fact... I NEVER "made a point of bashing a non Major pilot for being on that board"... period. Go read the thread he started on the "Major" forum and my replies to him. My point was/is that his POST has nothing to do with a major airline... although he somehow tried to convince everyone it was relevant because he wrote the word "Major airline" somewhere in his convoluted mumble jumble. My posts here have EVERYTHING to do with "Reality Check for Netjet pilots". Its just that nobody here has the capability of forming a rational thought about the subject at hand.

This has NO indication whatsoever as to how intelligent someone is. I happened to be the sharpest kid in my class and I flew UH-1s. OV-1s were used in the MI BNs. A fixed wing transition in the Army is one of the toughest things to obtain, everyone is a helicopter pilot first.

If you don't know much about the military, maybe you shouldn't comment about it.

You were the sharpest kid in your class?? What... Army Flight training? Well... we're all awfully proud of you!! By the way... that doesn't take much. Isn't that along the lines of a GED class?!

Quick Question for you there Chief: Are they still letting High School graduates into Army Flight training?? They sure used to, and I'm willing to bet they still do. That should tell everyone something right there. A REAL Military Flight training Program requires an education.

BTW - I'll match my military "knowledge" and the true reality of the military flight training situation with you anyday. Here is the first.... IF you believe "a fixed wing transition one of the toughest things to obtain" then I think that is more indicative of the quality of the student (or lack thereof) and not the actual skillsets required.

How about talking about a "Reality Check for Netjet Pilots"?

Les Paul

 

[FL450]

More comics. Gracias! Like I asked before, are you a Frac pilot?

And exactly what does this have to do with a "Major" airline.

First off... go to your little Fractional board to post your whiny "light the torches" tirade.

Second.... you're a miserable little person. Please leave NetJets and quit whoring yourself out for measily wages, meanwhile whining to the rest of the "working" class about it every single day, or else shut up.

YOU took the job.
YOU accepted the "bar lowering" wages.
YOU accepted the loopholes in the contract that was in place when you hired on.

Deal with it and move on.

Grow up and "Welcome to the real world" kiddo.

Les Paul

By the way, thanks for the "reality check".

 

[Les Paul]

Okay... a quick break here to pass along some thoughts.

I just received a Private Message from Netjetwife. I will not paste that message, because netjetwife indicated that they wanted this to remain private between us for some reason. I do not respond to PM's unless it is someone that I know. On the Cargo forum a while back, someone PM'd me and I did respond... but that was an exception to the rule.

Netjetwife gave me an e-mail address and a telephone number (for the Colorado Springs area) and asked that I contact her. I am a married man, and this is just a fun forum, and thats all it is for me. I have no intention of corresponding with you, for I have no reason, nor do you have a reason for contacting me. I will only respond to you here. You are fortunate I am honoring your privacy request by deleting your Private Message and not pasting it here. Please do not PM me again.

It really isn't smart to be giving your phone number out to people on the internet you don't know. Netjetwife... what were you thinking?!

We are not suddenly "buddies". This is the internet lady.... go play with your husband or your little girlfriends.

Folks... for me....this is a message forum for an exchange of thoughts, not a social club for meeting people.

Lady... you're too wierd for me. You win on this thread... I'm done interacting with you. You can talk and answer yourself.


Les Paul

 

[FL450]

Still curious. Are you a Frac pilot?

 

[netjetwife]

Reality...as in "real" life?

Seems to me that NJ pilots and their families are BEST qualified to discuss the REALITY of the job and its application in real life. Training contracts are a reality that come w/the job. Being mislead in the interview is another reality--my husband wasn't alone in that, it was a common practice at the time. We lacked real leaders; the MEC failed miserably. The reality of the situation is that the pilot force is now united in their goal to defeat the TA. Realistically speaking, wives do play a role in the fight by cheering on their husbands, getting out the NO vote, working as volunteers for StrongUnion (the new leadership from the pilots and for the pilots), and supporting each others families during this difficult time. That is the REALITY that other pilots in other jobs need to be made aware of. NJ pilots are fighting to pull wages up in their company, which in turn, will have a positive affect throughout the fractional industry. We are fighting for a REAL wage, REAL job security, REAL quality of life issues, and work rules that address the very REAL possibilty of pilot fatigue.

To all of those on the outside looking in, complaining about NJ pilots and their wives "complaining" (how ironic is that?!) I'd like to point out that apathy and/or too much trust in the wrong people, got us into this mess and it is going to take a lot of standing firm and speaking out to correct the situation. I'd have been able to explain the REALITIES of our position much earlier if I'd not been so busy side-stepping piles of wife-bashing garbage dumped on the board in the guise of posts. As Les Paul is one of the worst "polluters" his statement --quoted here: "Its just that nobody here has the capability of forming a rational thought about the subject at hand." is almost farcical in its irony.

 

[On Your Six]

Okay... a quick break here to pass along some thoughts.

I just received a Private Message from Netjetwife. I will not paste that message, because netjetwife indicated that they wanted this to remain private between us for some reason. I do not respond to PM's unless it is someone that I know. On the Cargo forum a while back, someone PM'd me and I did respond... but that was an exception to the rule.

Netjetwife gave me an e-mail address and a telephone number (for the Colorado Springs area) and asked that I contact her. I am a married man, and this is just a fun forum, and thats all it is for me. I have no intention of corresponding with you, for I have no reason, nor do you have a reason for contacting me. I will only respond to you here. You are fortunate I am honoring your privacy request by deleting your Private Message and not pasting it here. Please do not PM me again.

It really isn't smart to be giving your phone number out to people on the internet you don't know. Netjetwife... what were you thinking?!

We are not suddenly "buddies". This is the internet lady.... go play with your husband or your little girlfriends.

Folks... for me....this is a message forum for an exchange of thoughts, not a social club for meeting people.

Lady... you're too wierd for me. You win on this thread... I'm done interacting with you. You can talk and answer yourself.


Les Paul

Dude, you need to chill out. Perhaps go outside and run around a bit... Participation on this board is voluntary - you don't need to respond to anyone. You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

 

[jumper52]

Turn down Fedex?

I can understand turning down United, after working for them for almost 15years, but to turn down FEDEX!!!! Say it ain't so!!! And as for his present flying job at Netjets, I can understand his frustration but ever think about " he could be sitting on the street corner looking up at like alot of us are doing right now" Good luck and happy flying!!!

 

[netjetwife]

Okay... a quick break here to pass along some thoughts.

I just received a Private Message from Netjetwife. I will not paste that message, because netjetwife indicated that they wanted this to remain private between us for some reason. I do not respond to PM's unless it is someone that I know. On the Cargo forum a while back, someone PM'd me and I did respond... but that was an exception to the rule.

Netjetwife gave me an e-mail address and a telephone number (for the Colorado Springs area) and asked that I contact her. I am a married man, and this is just a fun forum, and thats all it is for me. I have no intention of corresponding with you, for I have no reason, nor do you have a reason for contacting me. I will only respond to you here. You are fortunate I am honoring your privacy request by deleting your Private Message and not pasting it here. Please do not PM me again.

It really isn't smart to be giving your phone number out to people on the internet you don't know. Netjetwife... what were you thinking?!

We are not suddenly "buddies". This is the internet lady.... go play with your husband or your little girlfriends.

Folks... for me....this is a message forum for an exchange of thoughts, not a social club for meeting people.

Lady... you're too wierd for me. You win on this thread... I'm done interacting with you. You can talk and answer yourself.


Les Paul

You lying jerk! Yes, I've sent PMs in response to those that offered their support in that format, signed my name---LaVonn--and my posts have made it clear that I live in Colorado Springs. In case you missed it, LP, I tactfully posted my belief that you do nothing but spew garbage all over the board. They were right to call you a troll...rather polite term , I think. Everyone has heard "there's a rotten apple in every basket" and it is crystal clear who that is on this board. Sad that we have to "step around" the obnoxious ones to have an intelligent debate of the issues. Go ahead! Post my email address and phone number that you claim to have. Dig thru the trash if you have to retrieve it--that shouldn't be a problem for you---wallowing in garbage seems to be a pasttime you enjoy!

 

[netjetwife]

I can understand turning down United, after working for them for almost 15years, but to turn down FEDEX!!!! Say it ain't so!!! And as for his present flying job at Netjets, I can understand his frustration but ever think about " he could be sitting on the street corner looking up at like alot of us are doing right now" Good luck and happy flying!!!

Jumper52, if you are asking me about Jeff, here is the answer. Jeff has other skills so will not be without a job should he decide to leave aviation. In the meantime, we choose to join the other NJ pilots in their fight for a fair contract.

Here we go again... FedEX was his 1st job interview after retiring from the AF, followed very closely by United and American. There were 2 problems: 1) Jeff was offered a 3yr instructor position w/a follow-on as a line pilot. For family reasons we didn't want to move to Memphis, and as a matter of principal we didn't like the idea that the pilots he trained would be senior to him when he began flying. 2). The personell dept at FedEX were slow --2 wks?--in completing their work and offering the job, a fact which displeased the interview pilot (I took his call at home) greatly. I informed him that Jeff had been interviewed by both United and AA in the meantime and was considering one of them. The instructors at FedEX were also paid considerably less than the line pilots there and at the airlines. Keep in mind that this all took place prior to 9-11. Based on the information of that time, Jeff made the best decision for our family.

 

[FL717]

Still curious. Are you a Frac pilot?

I don't have a dog in this fight and really don't want to engage in the brow beating with this jerk "Les Paul". His sexist comments reminded me of who this guy is, and he is too scared to post his profile so I will tell you what I know. Maybe someone else can add to it.

I've been on flightinfo for some time, and I can offer something that happened about a year ago on these message boards. He (Les Paul) got into a sexist forum bashing with another female pilot on these forums. He was quite rude and I think he was warned by the moderators. I'm not sure. Anyway, I believe was outed on that thread by someone who knows him, and then "Les" deleted all his posts with all the derogatory comments he made to this female pilot, and disappeared... thank goodness. I guess he's back only on this forum for some reason.

I don't remember who it was that knew him, but he alledgedly according to this person who outed him is a Contenental B-777 Captain who was ex-AirForce and a Thunderbird pilot who scabbed to get on at Continental in 1987 or 1988 when he separated from the AirForce. He's a "bad apple" as someone else put it... so believe me... take what he says with a grain of salt.

Oh... and Les... I won't respond to you so don't waste your time.

Sorry for the interruption and sorry to hijack the thread.

GO NETJETS PILOTS!!! Just say NO!

 

[Majik]

Wow, Les Paul is a SCAB! That explains a lot. Thanks for the history.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the tip--or are tips a sore subject? lol

Ignore lists are used for those people who's messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread.

Click on Les Paul. View his profile. Then Click on... "Add to my Ignore List"

There... don't you feel much better now?

I don't know....I was glad to see his post about me sending him my email address and phone number----AS IF----so that I could hold it out for the garbage that it is. I guess I'm not as thick skinned as you guys, but I don't let BS like that go unchallenged. (It was too bad we had to leave the RS early) The contempt he shows for wives doesn't bode well for his present and/or future as a married man.

 

[English]

It's not contempt for wives, it is contempt for women.

 

[GVFlyer]

You were the sharpest kid in your class?? What... Army Flight training? Well... we're all awfully proud of you!! By the way... that doesn't take much. Isn't that along the lines of a GED class?!

Quick Question for you there Chief: Are they still letting High School graduates into Army Flight training?? They sure used to, and I'm willing to bet they still do. That should tell everyone something right there. A REAL Military Flight training Program requires an education.

BTW - I'll match my military "knowledge" and the true reality of the military flight training situation with you anyday. Here is the first.... IF you believe "a fixed wing transition one of the toughest things to obtain" then I think that is more indicative of the quality of the student (or lack thereof) and not the actual skillsets required.

Les Paul

I've flown with pilots from all branches while in joint service assignments; I'd be honored to go into combat with any of them. All the services spend around a million dollars on Undergraduate Pilot Training and all produce highly skilled warrior pilots.

Your comments demean the fine aviators of all services who are serving our country in foreign lands - if you are prior service, as some here suggest, you should be particularly ashamed of yourself.

Regarding Live4flying's post - it's the Israeli Air Force that has a high school to flight school program. The US Army requires a baccalaureate degree for commissioned officers and a two year degree with a demonstrated flight aptitude for warrant officers. Because of the ratio of airplanes to helicopters in his service, it is more selective to be chosen for a fixed-wing transition than a squadron command.

We flew OV-10's at TPS, they are treacherous machines. They are the kind of airplane in which you can do something right now that is going to kill you in 10 seconds and there's nothing you can do in the interim except use the seat. Anyone who can fly them single-pilot, all weather, night low-level while performing a military reconnaissance mission has my respect.

GV

 

[netjetwife]

I don't have a dog in this fight and really don't want to engage in the brow beating with this jerk "Les Paul". His sexist comments reminded me of who this guy is, and he is too scared to post his profile so I will tell you what I know. Maybe someone else can add to it.

I've been on flightinfo for some time, and I can offer something that happened about a year ago on these message boards. He (Les Paul) got into a sexist forum bashing with another female pilot on these forums. He was quite rude and I think he was warned by the moderators. I'm not sure. Anyway, I believe was outed on that thread by someone who knows him, and then "Les" deleted all his posts with all the derogatory comments he made to this female pilot, and disappeared... thank goodness. I guess he's back only on this forum for some reason.

I don't remember who it was that knew him, but he alledgedly according to this person who outed him is a Contenental B-777 Captain who was ex-AirForce and a Thunderbird pilot who scabbed to get on at Continental in 1987 or 1988 when he separated from the AirForce. He's a "bad apple" as someone else put it... so believe me... take what he says with a grain of salt.

Oh... and Les... I won't respond to you so don't waste your time.

Sorry for the interruption and sorry to hijack the thread.

GO NETJETS PILOTS!!! Just say NO!

Now that the truth is out maybe Les Paul will shut up and go away again. He truly is the "bad apple"--my post. Since you have exposed him, I trust the others here to recognize his posts for the worthless tripe they are. I too will put him on my ignore list--thanks for the tip, Gunfyter. And thank YOU, FL717 for the support. Your post added to, not detracted from, the thread. LB/NJW