RAH buys Midwest!!!

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The multiple certificates were not what I was referring to. I was referring to the purchase of companies with narrowbody aircraft by a regional airline. All of the companies mentioned above flew 737s.[/QUOTE]

New York Air never flew 737s, they only flew DC-9s. Sorry, guess since you seem to know 'everything' guess you also knew that but were just mistaken.

For what its worth.

PD

Hello Pot, Kettle here....

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[BUDDHA145]

When someone loses the income that supports his family, there is plenty of hate to go around.

HMM!! I agree whith that...gosh in 2 ,4 ,8 years or what ever time, we could be on that token, no doub!!!!

The Reverent B.B never put out for a vote if I wanted to destroy another pilot group....

but here we go to the old BLA BLA BLA!!!

YX dont strike + RAH buys YX = RAH pilots scabs!!!

makes total sence

In another note, theres nothing the RAH and YX group can do about this management masterpice!!! other than we are in contract negotiations and both groups with their unions have lots of leverage!!!

CitationLover we need you guys to come over and joing us to tackle for all of us...we got tons of leverage!!!!

 

[CitationLover]

HMM!! I agree whith that...gosh in 2 ,4 ,8 years or what ever time, we could be on that token, no doub!!!!

The Reverent B.B never put out for a vote if I wanted to destroy another pilot group....

but here we go to the old BLA BLA BLA!!!

YX dont strike + RAH buys YX = RAH pilots scabs!!!

makes total sence

In another note, theres nothing the RAH and YX group can do about this management masterpice!!! other than we are in contract negotiations and both groups with their unions have lots of leverage!!!

CitationLover we need you guys to come over and joing us to tackle for all of us...we got tons of leverage!!!!

No offense but the REPUBLIC pilots had all the leverage to stop this with the first 170 coming to MKE..........

You will see perhaps 20% MEH pilots coming over if there is no fence.

 

[Fubijaakr]

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snap!

 

[MCOE175]

No offense but the REPUBLIC pilots had all the leverage to stop this with the first 170 coming to MKE..........

You will see perhaps 20% MEH pilots coming over if there is no fence.

How do you figure we were able to stop this? Honestly, can you think of a way that makes sense? Also, if you are saying why didn't we stick up to mgt, then the same goes for you when you let your brothers and sisters at skyway get screwed! (assuming you work for XY)
Funny but you work for an airline that has let people get dicked around for while, you should know we have no say in anything management does!

Another thing... How do you fence an airline that has no airplanes? Fair intergration is another issue, and has to be worked out...

 

[jravi8tor]

How do you figure we were able to stop this? Honestly, can you think of a way that makes sense? Also, if you are saying why didn't we stick up to mgt, then the same goes for you when you let your brothers and sisters at skyway get screwed! (assuming you work for XY)
Funny but you work for an airline that has let people get dicked around for while, you should know we have no say in anything management does!

Another thing... How do you fence an airline that has no airplanes? Fair intergration is another issue, and has to be worked out...

The YX pilots did stickup for the Skyway guys and gals. Our MEC went to TH with an offer of placing all Skyway pilots on the MEH seniority list. TH said NO! I don't know how many times this has been posted on here!

Any aircraft flying the Midwest colors regardless if it says Midwest or Midwest Connect must be crewed with YX crews. We were the ones hired to fly those a/c to begin with under Midwest Airlines Holdings.

 

[MCOE175]

Your argument doesn't hold up... Besides the point.

I am willing to bet that argument about flying the airplanes is not going to hold up with the unions. It was the lack of scope that cause all of this! I too can say we were hired to fly those airplanes, but its fruitless.

But as ********************ty as you may have always regarded us to be... Welcome to the RAH family!

 

[CitationLover]

Your argument doesn't hold up... Besides the point.

I am willing to bet that argument about flying the airplanes is not going to hold up with the unions. It was the lack of scope that cause all of this! I too can say we were hired to fly those airplanes, but its fruitless.

But as ********************ty as you may have always regarded us to be... Welcome to the RAH family!

So YOU screw us out of our jobs and now want us to cooperate on an integration to help YOU? No thanks. I am sure the F9 pilots will think the same thing.

If it serves a cookie, it should be manned by someone on the Midwest Pilots Seniority List, pure and simple. Has a painted animal on the tail, it should be manned by someone on the Frontier list.

You bemoan our "lack of scope" yet throw your own scope, which is being played like a fiddle, as some rallying cry for integration. Isn't that the least bit hypocritical?

God bless as our new CEO says.

 

[CitationLover]

Another thing... How do you fence an airline that has no airplanes? Fair intergration is another issue, and has to be worked out...

As mentioned above, ANY Midwest or Midwest Connect plane being flown by Republic, should be flown by a pilot on the Midwest Seniority List.

Fenced until the last FO has upgraded to CA.

Sounds fair to me. Will it happen, probably not, but our attorney better be arguing for that.

 

[Indy319FA]

New York Air never flew 737s, they only flew DC-9s. Sorry, guess since you seem to know 'everything' guess you also knew that but were just mistaken.

For what its worth.

PD

Hello Pot, Kettle here....

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Nice attempt at changing the thrust of the discussion. The discussion dealt with a regional buying a "mainline" company with narrowbody aircraft. Last time I checked, the DC-9 is considered a narrowbody aircraft, although some will give you an argument about the -10 model. Maybe I should have said narrowbodies instead of 737s, but then I was pretty sure all of them flew 737s.

The point still remains the same. The idea of regional buying a national carrier with narrrow body aircraft has never happened before, and this is uncharted territory for the industry.

 

[MCOE175]

So YOU screw us out of our jobs and now want us to cooperate on an integration to help YOU? No thanks. I am sure the F9 pilots will think the same thing.

If it serves a cookie, it should be manned by someone on the Midwest Pilots Seniority List, pure and simple. Has a painted animal on the tail, it should be manned by someone on the Frontier list.

You bemoan our "lack of scope" yet throw your own scope, which is being played like a fiddle, as some rallying cry for integration. Isn't that the least bit hypocritical?

God bless as our new CEO says.

Midwest guys don't have a choice to intergrate, they will be intergrated!! Better get used to the fact that you will be flying with a 26 year old captain...

The F9 guys don't have a choice, they are going to be whipsawed and dismantled to that RP can recoupe their losses plus some.

 

[likeitis]

Midwest guys don't have a choice to intergrate, they will be intergrated!! Better get used to the fact that you will be flying with a 26 year old captain...

The F9 guys don't have a choice, they are going to be whipsawed and dismantled to that RP can recoupe their losses plus some.

I encourage all YX pilots to stay on just long enough to resign AFTER all your training on whatever new aircraft. Especially if your getting a type out of it.

 

[deadstick]

The YX pilots did stickup for the Skyway guys and gals. Our MEC went to TH with an offer of placing all Skyway pilots on the MEH seniority list. TH said NO! I don't know how many times this has been posted on here!

TH's response was no surprise. By the time the Jan 08 announcement was made, the fate of Skyway had already been set. The FAA had been told, I believe, 4-6 months earlier. Anything other than a clean break would have complicated the Master Plan (what we have witnessed over the last year) because the TH would have been stuck with more employees on the books.

If it serves a cookie, it should be manned by someone on the Midwest Pilots Seniority List, pure and simple.

Was that part of the Midwest CBA? I just ask because of the whole Skywest project and how they took both Midwest and Skyway flying. Was that passed off as a "code share?"

Midwest guys don't have a choice to intergrate, they will be intergrated!!

Now we have proof! RAH=Borg. :laugh:

 

[Browntothebone]

Midwest guys don't have a choice to intergrate, they will be intergrated!! Better get used to the fact that you will be flying with a 26 year old captain...

The F9 guys don't have a choice, they are going to be whipsawed and dismantled to that RP can recoupe their losses plus some.

Just wait till the 26 yr old RAH captain starts in with his "war stories".... "There I was one day in the Seminole when..." or, "When I was at the Academy (Delta Connection)..."

 

[Whataburger]

Just , "When I was at the Academy (Delta Connection)..."

Every airlines has its "at the academy" story tellers.

 

[crashpad]

I just threw up in my mouth a little....

 

[hockeypilot44]

We can go in circles all day. Midwest and Frontier were career airlines. The hiring process at these airlines was a lot more selective. Their minimums were a lot higher. Republic pays peanuts. The Midwest pilots are being replaced by cheaper labor because a judge ruled against their scope. As long as it says "connect on the side" it is not a replacement aircraft. Now the Republic pilots want the Midwest pilots to merge happily into the Republic list and work under a contract that pays a fraction of what they used to make. It will never happen. They might end up merged in, but none of them will fly for $37/hour. If any of them end up as captains with longevity (16 years), they will probably stay, but they will be miserable to work with. You Republic guys need to accept the fact that you have inferior jobs because of your contract. Republic is not a good place to spend the rest of your career no matter much you want to believe it. Bedford and Heller will never give you guys a decent contract. Five years from now, you will still be in negotiations. You will eventually sign a contract with a few improvements, but still no where near what the Midwest and Frontier guys were making. This is assuming Republic even exists in five years. I could see the company going out of business without you guys ever getting a new contract. To ask the Frontier and Midwest pilots to join your seniority list and work under your rules is insulting to them.

 

[thepotato232]

We can go in circles all day. Midwest and Frontier were career airlines. The hiring process at these airlines was a lot more selective. Their minimums were a lot higher. Republic pays peanuts. The Midwest pilots are being replaced by cheaper labor because a judge ruled against their scope. As long as it says "connect on the side" it is not a replacement aircraft. Now the Republic pilots want the Midwest pilots to merge happily into the Republic list and work under a contract that pays a fraction of what they used to make. It will never happen. They might end up merged in, but none of them will fly for $37/hour. If any of them end up as captains with longevity (16 years), they will probably stay, but they will be miserable to work with. You Republic guys need to accept the fact that you have inferior jobs because of your contract. Republic is not a good place to spend the rest of your career no matter much you want to believe it. Bedford and Heller will never give you guys a decent contract. Five years from now, you will still be in negotiations. You will eventually sign a contract with a few improvements, but still no where near what the Midwest and Frontier guys were making. This is assuming Republic even exists in five years. I could see the company going out of business without you guys ever getting a new contract. To ask the Frontier and Midwest pilots to join your seniority list and work under your rules is insulting to them.

Just so I'm clear on this, here are three different labor groups with three different unions coming together that need to negotiate a new contract yesterday, and you want them to whipsaw each other? The RAH pilots don't want these pilots to come over and work for current RAH wages, they want them to join together as one group and raise the bar for everyone there. The overwhelming sentiment at RAH is that if Bedford is stepping into the big boys' sandbox, he's going to have to leave the "regional" pay and work rules behind. If you feel that the Republic pilots are unworthy to be members of the same negotiating group as MidEx's and Frontier's, the management groups of all three companies will exploit that schism for all it's worth. Just like they always have.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Just so I'm clear on this, here are three different labor groups with three different unions coming together that need to negotiate a new contract yesterday, and you want them to whipsaw each other? The RAH pilots don't want these pilots to come over and work for current RAH wages, they want them to join together as one group and raise the bar for everyone there. The overwhelming sentiment at RAH is that if Bedford is stepping into the big boys' sandbox, he's going to have to leave the "regional" pay and work rules behind. If you feel that the Republic pilots are unworthy to be members of the same negotiating group as MidEx's and Frontier's, the management groups of all three companies will exploit that schism for all it's worth. Just like they always have.

I think if the three lists merge, the only pilots that will benefit are the Republic pilots. There is a huge disparity between the two contracts. The Republic pilots need to sign a contract equal to the Frontier or Midwest's, then let's start talking merger. This argument is a moot point. In a less than a year, there will be no Midwest pilots left and Bedford has already said the Frontier pilots will not be merged in.

 

[AirBill]

If Bedford wants to run Frontier, their pilots will HAVE to be merged with ours. Period. Bedford has to pay to play, or this place will be shut down in a heartbeat.

 

[Browntothebone]

We can go in circles all day. Midwest and Frontier were career airlines. The hiring process at these airlines was a lot more selective. Their minimums were a lot higher. Republic pays peanuts. The Midwest pilots are being replaced by cheaper labor because a judge ruled against their scope. As long as it says "connect on the side" it is not a replacement aircraft. Now the Republic pilots want the Midwest pilots to merge happily into the Republic list and work under a contract that pays a fraction of what they used to make. It will never happen. They might end up merged in, but none of them will fly for $37/hour. If any of them end up as captains with longevity (16 years), they will probably stay, but they will be miserable to work with. You Republic guys need to accept the fact that you have inferior jobs because of your contract. Republic is not a good place to spend the rest of your career no matter much you want to believe it. Bedford and Heller will never give you guys a decent contract. Five years from now, you will still be in negotiations. You will eventually sign a contract with a few improvements, but still no where near what the Midwest and Frontier guys were making. This is assuming Republic even exists in five years. I could see the company going out of business without you guys ever getting a new contract. To ask the Frontier and Midwest pilots to join your seniority list and work under your rules is insulting to them.

Maybe.... But there aircraft (ERJ-170/190) are SUPERIOR! Since we live to fly, isn't flying a superior aircraft really what's important?

 

[likeitis]

If Bedford wants to run Frontier, their pilots will HAVE to be merged with ours. Period. Bedford has to pay to play, or this place will be shut down in a heartbeat.

Wrong, rah can have 49% ownership and it wouldn't need to be merged. BB than can buy a 2% minority share and thus he is in control without having to merge the two airlines. When will you guys learn that you are not in control and no matter what you do the owners can pay $1000.00/hour lawyers to blow holes in any contract. The ONLY choice anyone really has is to walk away and not play in their games.

 

[olympus593]

Maybe.... But there aircraft (ERJ-170/190) are SUPERIOR! Since we live to fly, isn't flying a superior aircraft really what's important?

No it's not.

 

[olympus593]

If Bedford wants to run Frontier, their pilots will HAVE to be merged with ours. Period. Bedford has to pay to play, or this place will be shut down in a heartbeat.

Coming from a republic pilot that funny!

 

[hockeypilot44]

If Bedford wants to run Frontier, their pilots will HAVE to be merged with ours. Period. Bedford has to pay to play, or this place will be shut down in a heartbeat.

Lol. You are wrong. Your pilots will not shut the place down. They will continue to go to work and enjoy flying under your current contract. The majority of your first officers have never made a decent wage. They don't even know what a decent wage is. Your captains used to be first officers so they think they are rich. I am sure Bedford will merge the lists because it is in your contract. He has never broken your contract before, has he?

 

[olympus593]

Lol. You are wrong. Your pilots will not shut the place down. They will continue to go to work and enjoy flying under your current contract. The majority of your first officers have never made a decent wage. They don't even know what a decent wage is. Your captains used to be first officers so they think they are rich. I am sure Bedford will merge the lists because it is in your contract. He has never broken your contract before, has he?

Well it's not like they ever furloughed out of seniority, or have tried ( and successed ) at finding loopholes in the majors scope clause contract before.
LOL.

 

[Browntothebone]

Lol. You are wrong. Your pilots will not shut the place down. They will continue to go to work and enjoy flying under your current contract. The majority of your first officers have never made a decent wage. They don't even know what a decent wage is. Your captains used to be first officers so they think they are rich. I am sure Bedford will merge the lists because it is in your contract. He has never broken your contract before, has he?

Just wate will Bedford waves the ultimate carrot in front of your face... an Airbus. You guys will wet yourselfs to be the first RAH pilot to get checked out in the bus.

 

[AirBill]

Wrong, rah can have 49% ownership and it wouldn't need to be merged. BB than can buy a 2% minority share and thus he is in control without having to merge the two airlines. When will you guys learn that you are not in control and no matter what you do the owners can pay $1000.00/hour lawyers to blow holes in any contract. The ONLY choice anyone really has is to walk away and not play in their games.

Well, how's that going to look to shareholders of RAH? Seems like a fairly cut-and-dried conflict of interest. Doesn't seem like a lot of shareholders would be too keen about that.

 

[AirBill]

Just wate will Bedford waves the ultimate carrot in front of your face... an Airbus. You guys will wet yourselfs to be the first RAH pilot to get checked out in the bus.

Wow. Come up with that spelling all by yourself there, Chester?

 

[olympus593]

Wow. Come up with that spelling all by yourself there, Chester?

Spelling doesn't matter scab, flying a F-100 for 37$/H with no cancellation pay does. Have a nice F-U-C-K-I-N-G day scab.