RAH buys Midwest!!!

[contrail67]

So if UAL, DAL, ect. cancel the contracts with RAH then UAL, DAL will be stuck with the lease payments on the EMB's? I bet big money that Skywest or others right now are writing training manuels, ect. Then UAL, DAL, ect. still has the feed and RAH is out of money makers.

Stick a mainline pilot in the seat at mainline pay.....there are probably enough on furlough to cover the aircraft!

 

[Rekks Inbound]

So if UAL, DAL, ect. cancel the contracts with RAH then UAL, DAL will be stuck with the lease payments on the EMB's? I bet big money that Skywest or others right now are writing training manuels, ect. Then UAL, DAL, ect. still has the feed and RAH is out of money makers.

Ya beat me to it!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[curtaindriver]

Bedford may have been good when pitted up against the likes of other regionals, but now he has a nice little problem in MKE and DEN called SWA. Bedford vs. SWA? I choose SWA.

The only thing keeping Frontier alive in DEN is their hometown status. Will that remain now that the hometown is IND? Add in to the mix that neither Midwest nor Frontier have been profitable for a very long time, and considering that nobody knows how the majors are going to respond to the announcements, Republic could find themselves with a bunch of planes and furloughs, and nowhere to fly.

Sounds like somebody got bored flying Saabs, then got bored flying ERJ's, then got bored flying EMB's. Bankruptcy is exciting, I suppose.

That's a great point people are missing, no offense to Midwest or Frontier but these two airlines are floundering. Midwest is a skeleton of what it once was, losing huge amounts of money and losing market share...Frontier is in bankruptcy. RAH can have these two, the pressure hasn't even started with MKE yet....Airtran and SWA coming in strong.

Someone give me an example of a regional airline becoming a "successful" stand-alone airline.....I can't think of any.

CD

 

[Flying the Line]

Stick a mainline pilot in the seat at mainline pay.....there are probably enough on furlough to cover the aircraft!

I like it. Now all you have to do is convince Glen.

 

[CitationLover]

I think they do. The majors are really trying to go all RJ under 120 seats. It may take another round of CH. 13's to realize, but I bet they don't touch RP for the turnkey value of a fleet of 100 seaters. As soon as one breaks, Midwest is done and 190's or whatever else is lying around gets painted to a major color of your choice. The majors, like AA, don't have the money to replace 200 and some MD-80's. AA is not going to just give up, either. They will get scope. I also won't be shocked if VA and JB end up in this as well. Reminds me of Lorenzo's moves back in the 80's: growth thru debt.

I agree 100% with what you said. They do want this.

 

[Indy319FA]

Someone give me an example of a regional airline becoming a "successful" stand-alone airline.....I can't think of any

Give me an example of a regional airline going out over two days and buying the narrowbody aircraft, expertise, and infrastructure needed to be a stand alone airline. I can't think of any either.

This is a completely different animal from ACA/Indy and Expressjet. Two years from now you will not recognize any of these companies, and the route structure will probably be completely different. Chautauqua and Shuttle will likely remain unchanged until their contracts expire. But I expect Republic will continue to provide feed to airlines somewhere, but at a lower level than in the past. Will this new company be able to withstand the pounding from the majors? I don't know. Will all of the majors still be around five years from now? I don't know.

What I do know, is this is something compeletly different that has not occurred in this industry before. It will be intersting to see how this all plays out. Hopefully the employees at the new Republic will be able to come together and get better contracts once the dust settles from all this.

 

[MELVIS]

Nothing good will come from this.

 

[MELVIS]

Nothing good will come from this.

For us pilots.

 

[CRJ puppy]

give me an example of a regional airline going out over two days and buying the narrowbody aircraft, expertise, and infrastructure needed to be a stand alone airline. I can't think of any either.

This is a completely different animal from aca/indy and expressjet. Two years from now you will not recognize any of these companies, and the route structure will probably be completely different. Chautauqua and shuttle will likely remain unchanged until their contracts expire. But i expect republic will continue to provide feed to airlines somewhere, but at a lower level than in the past. Will this new company be able to withstand the pounding from the majors? I don't know. Will all of the majors still be around five years from now? I don't know.

What i do know, is this is something compeletly different that has not occurred in this industry before. It will be intersting to see how this all plays out. Hopefully the employees at the new republic will be able to come together and get better contracts once the dust settles from all this.

exactly

 

[dougdrvr]

What I do know, is this is something compeletly different that has not occurred in this industry before. It will be intersting to see how this all plays out. Hopefully the employees at the new Republic will be able to come together and get better contracts once the dust settles from all this.

Uh......there was a litlle airline called Texas International and some guy whose last name started with L.

New York Air
People Express
Continental
Frontier (the original)

Any of these names ring a bell?

 

[Lear70]

Those RJ guys weren't even born then, you think they'd remember those?

 

[hockeypilot44]

Air Florida? Midway? Skybus?

 

[10nCLR]

What's this? "Herman the Duck" is back in MKE!!!! Oh, wait-nevermind.

 

[rtmcfi]

Someone give me an example of a regional airline becoming a "successful" stand-alone airline.....I can't think of any.

CD

Delta

 

[dougdrvr]

What's this? "Herman the Duck" is back in MKE!!!! Oh, wait-nevermind.

Funny you should mention that. When one of the MKE local news stations was doing the story on Repulic buying Midwest, they were showing some file footage of the original Republic DC-9s

 

[dougdrvr]

Those RJ guys weren't even born then, you think they'd remember those?

I don't remember Varney Speed Lines, but I know something about them.

 

[10nCLR]

Funny you should mention that. When one of the MKE local news stations was doing the story on Repulic buying Midwest, they were showing some file footage of the original Republic DC-9s

Yup, how ironic is that. MKE use to be one of their focus cities too. I wonder if any of those DC-9s flying in the Northwest system are some of the original Republic or North Central planes. lol

 

[Cardinal]

I wonder if any of those DC-9s flying in the Northwest system are some of the original Republic or North Central planes. lol

N965N, DC-9-31, ex-Republic, still flying at Northwest: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Republic-Airlines/Douglas-DC-9-31/1481907/M/

N761NC, DC-9-51, ex-North Central, still flying at Northwest: http://www.airliners.net/photo/North-Central-Airlines/McDonnell-Douglas-DC-9-51/1493388/M/

 

[curtaindriver]

Delta

Give me a freakin break dude.....you know what I meant....unless you want to debate symantics of the term "regional". In your context, all airlines were once "regional". Anyway..........

CD

 

[IAHERJ]

I can tell you I'm buying XJT stock every month in my CAL B-fund account. I'll have ten thousand shares soon. I'm betting the quality carriers like XJT will be getting the chance to pick up some slack from the Colgans of the industry as CAL and others start to take a look at their regional portfolio's.

 

[Full of LUV]

Still don't know why the Midwest pilots didn't just declare a strike the day after the original "code share" ageement was announced. Seems to me they facilitated their airline being converted to regional status (at least in wages) by dutifully working right up until assimilation is complete. I know there was some promises about bringing on the midwest pilots as the 190 operators, but that seems to have been just a farce to keep operations running as the transformation was underway. Have fun looking for a job now.....

 

[hockeypilot44]

Still don't know why the Midwest pilots didn't just declare a strike the day after the original "code share" ageement was announced. Seems to me they facilitated their airline being converted to regional status (at least in wages) by dutifully working right up until assimilation is complete. I know there was some promises about bringing on the midwest pilots as the 190 operators, but that seems to have been just a farce to keep operations running as the transformation was underway. Have fun looking for a job now.....

They were promised they would get the 190's if they agreed to max out their captains at $78/hour and first officers at $37/hour. This is why the Midwest pilots hate the Republic pilots so much.

 

[Propsync]

They were promised they would get the 190's if they agreed to max out their captains at $78/hour and first officers at $37/hour. This is why the Midwest pilots hate the Republic pilots so much.

I would hate more how the company handled everything that led to this mess. But, to each their own, I guess.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I would hate more how the company handled everything that led to this mess. But, to each their own, I guess.

When someone loses the income that supports his family, there is plenty of hate to go around.

 

[MCOE175]

So if UAL, DAL, ect. cancel the contracts with RAH then UAL, DAL will be stuck with the lease payments on the EMB's? I bet big money that Skywest or others right now are writing training manuels, ect. Then UAL, DAL, ect. still has the feed and RAH is out of money makers.

RAH buys their own aircraft and does not allow the partners to control them. So no one but RAH would be stuck with the leases.

 

[Indy319FA]

Uh......there was a litlle airline called Texas International and some guy whose last name started with L.

New York Air
People Express
Continental
Frontier (the original)

Any of these names ring a bell?

The multiple certificates were not what I was referring to. I was referring to the purchase of companies with narrowbody aircraft by a regional airline. All of the companies mentioned above flew 737s.

 

[BlackPilot628]

They were promised they would get the 190's if they agreed to max out their captains at $78/hour and first officers at $37/hour. This is why the Midwest pilots hate the Republic pilots so much.

Midwest Pilots hate us and the Skyway Pilots were wondering why the hell the Midex guys did not stand up for them... Interesting.

 

[CitationLover]

Midwest Pilots hate us and the Skyway Pilots were wondering why the hell the Midex guys did not stand up for them... Interesting.

The Skyway pilots must not know anything then. Midwest hired a great proportion of Skyway pilots and our MEC offered to TH to add EVERY single one of them to our seniority list rather than close them down.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

The multiple certificates were not what I was referring to. I was referring to the purchase of companies with narrowbody aircraft by a regional airline. All of the companies mentioned above flew 737s.[/QUOTE]

New York Air never flew 737s, they only flew DC-9s. Sorry, guess since you seem to know 'everything' guess you also knew that but were just mistaken.

For what its worth.

PD

 

[Browntothebone]

They were promised they would get the 190's if they agreed to max out their captains at $78/hour and first officers at $37/hour. This is why the Midwest pilots hate the Republic pilots so much.

Hate is a very strong word. Why do mainline pilots HATE regional pilots so much?