Radio Pet Peeves

[fly4ever]

BTW,

When doing my out and back last night and this morning I may have used the phrase, "Have a good Turkey Day" with the controllers on more than one occasion. The response was always something similar back to us. Controllers are generally laid back unless things get hectic and most of us get the hint when we need to tighten it up with the phraseology.

C-Ya!!!!

 

[350DRIVER]

"Cleared to go- we're on the roll-

"We are direct destination equipped this morning and would like to cut the corner.

"departure... adios
C YA ! !

3 5 0

 

[Rook]

1. (DTW) Northwest 123 follow the Flagship RJ off your right to runway 4R... (in an annoying voice) What's a Flagship? Ok we'll follow the 'trainer jet' to 4R.

If I ever wanted to kick a mainliner in the nads it was just then.

2. (same day I might add) Flagship 123 follow the DC-9 off your left to 22R. Then someone said..."ok we'll follow the Douglas RJ to 22R. (It was a DC-9-10)oops not that I was the culprit or anything like that.

3.on ATC...Flagship is that the new call sign for Mesaba? (nothing against my Mesaba bros and sisters)

Thanksgivvvvvving.....is a special night.....Jimmy Walllllllker used to say DY-NO-MITE!!!! that's right

Rook
600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'

 

[fr8doggydog]

And I thought I had no life...

 

[DC10]

The one that gets me is one heard every time someone on the frequency has a stuck mike. Someone will always sooner or later transmit "stuck mike" over the radio.

The only person on frequency who is guaranteed NOT to hear you is indeed, the person with the stuck mike.

 

[2000flyer]

I have, and will continue to use the "Any other traffic in the area, please advise". More than one ocassion I've been at an uncontrolled field with someone in the pattern and they haven't said a peep until I ask that simple question. Now, think about it, say that phrase in a normal flow and what does it take, 2 seconds? If it perked someone up to tell me they're out there, I guess it was 2 seconds well spent.

ICAO has many phrases they use regularly that we don't (even though we're an ICAO member state). In Canada you will be "cleared for AN approach" when at smaller airports. In Europe you'll "Track runway heading" instead of "fly runway heading" (their different, trust me).

I would say whatever phrasology it takes to understand the intructions given or received, do what you need to do! I'd rather see the frequency tied up for a couple of seconds than two planes tied up permanently.

(speaking of 10-4, I actually heard a guy ask the controller what the "20" was on the aircraft he was supposed to follow!) Go get 'em Bandit!

2000Flyer

 

[lumax]

How about when some respond with an "S" at the end,
United"s" 123
Delta"s" 123
Alaska"s" 123
Not really a big deal at all, but since we are on the subject...

 

[fly4ever]

Great comeback overheard

DTW - NW following an Avro

ATC - "NW xxxx You're following an Avro 4 miles in trail cleared to land 22R."

NW xxxx - "Following a "Navajo" cleared to land."

ATC - "NW xxxx You're following an AVRO"

NW xxxx - "Avro Navajo, what's the difference"

Another voice - "Navajos don't have jumpseats!"

 

[350DRIVER]

ATC: You are x miles from xxx, you ARE goin to make that crossing
restriction.??

Aero Mexico crew: ( in heavy accent) - "sometimesa we
do ahhh and sometimesa we don't..

I thought that was pretty funny !

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[aviatrix]

[
"D-F-W tower, American Eleven with you ten out for the center."

I cant agree with you more, Typhoon, about the "with you" thing! I used it once while flying a little corporate, and the captain promptly scolded me and said that he wouldn't fly with anyone ever again who said that with his N #! I never used it again!
Nothing was better than hearing one of my students say "Givin' you the flash" when ATC asked for an ident! I couldn't contain my laughter!

 

[bobbysamd]

I was visiting the OKC RAPCON shortly after I finished my Private in 1982. The controller was working either a couple of Tweets or A-37s. In any event, he's pointing out traffic: "Bugsmasher 1235, traffic, 11 o'clock, three miles, two Cessna fighters."

 

[ATCER]

Hey... great thread guys.

First I want to mention that 99% of you guys (and gals) have strong phraseology... During the course of the day there is always some less then perfect stuff and the occasional things that make no sense but thankfully that is the exception, not the norm.

Some points... if something happens and the pilot is heard using bad phraseology on the tapes the FAA (and NTSB if it's an accident) will stick it to you. No matter how great your abilites, ratings, etc ... you will get burned. Same for us... It would be a shame to get tangled up in a situation that could have been avoided by simply using proper phraseology. I have seen it happen many times.

Now... in training phraseology is a very big thing for us. We are graded very harshly on it and continue to be assesed. In your formal pilot training (airline training) is phraselogy covered ??? or is it assumed that it is mastered by the time you reach that level ??? Just curious...

One last thing... don't foget the NINERS ! Nine is a tough word to understand and is often confused with other words...

As far as funny things I have heard on the frequency... we don't have that kinda time...

 

[bobbysamd]

Phraseology

Great post from ATCER. Nice to get a viewpoint from the other side of the mike.

I'd say that one is assumed to have learned correct comm procedure, really, at the end of Private. For sure, at the end of Instrument. Flight instructors are supposed to drill their students thoroughly in correct comm procedure. I was a Riddle stage check pilot and gave plenty of Private students their stage checks. I cannot recall any who used incorrect phraselogy and failed to use "niner."

My theory is that recently-graduated 250-hour pilots are at their most vulnerable for picking up bad habits. Although they're flying to Commercial standards, the learning hasn't really sunk in completely because they really haven't flown that much or for that long. Also, so many of them think they have now learned everything there is to know about aviation and think they are the sharpest sticks in town when the exact 180 is true. They are out flying, free from instructor scrutiny, and hear incorrect phraseology or "cool" phraseology, or see "Top Gun" too many times (e.g., "Tally Ho!" and "No Joy"), and they slip away from their training, thinking that's how it's done in the real world.

Your comment about bad phraseology being thrown back at pilots involved in incidents should give one pause. I, for one, never thought of it that way. That's a great training point that I wish I knew when I was instructing. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[ATCER]

Good phraseology will protect your A** ... I'm serious. When the tapes are pulled and reviewed the phraseology is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

It would be terrible to get a blemish on a perfect record for a situation you handled well, but some suit writes you up because you got sloppy speaking on the radio....

One other thing... we all should here what we sound like on the radio. I have heard myself and it is FAR different then one would think. That was some learning experience for me... I said what ??? What was I thinking ???

Fly Safe.

 

[Raskal]

Ok, I may as well throw my personal annoyance in-

ATC-"Aircraft123xx ident please"
Aircraft 123xx-"Identing, 123xx"

WTF is the reason for saying "identing"...either ATC will see you flash or they won't...Your pushing of the button is the reply.