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ELVISP

ELVISP

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Ok, so what is the consensus out there?
Do we take the information given that terrorists for the most part are muslim, male, 18-35 and Jihadist and begin to crack down on them leaving alone the 85 year old woman and mother with 2 babies? I don't have detailed research data but, I would imagine that this would cut down on what the avarage American travelor can carry in their carry on as well as create shorter security checkpoint lines.
Or...do we assume that racial profiling is unreliable, because instead of looking at criminal behavior simply focus on the color of their skin and basically making an entire race guilty untill proven innocent? Not to mention what would stop these terrorist sects from then recruiting soldiers that do not fit the profile and that could more easily slip through the cracks?
What says you?
 
This country is way too litigated with lawyers to ever let that happen. It would "Hurt" someone's feelings??

Yes they should, but I think the real threat may come from WHITE turn coats. Like that kid from the Peoples Republic of KalifoRnia. The Muslims know that we are watching them, and will find another avenue. I think that they still consider aircraft as targets of opportunity, because of the great destruction potential, target wise and socially.

I often thought of a solution for this, but the fact remains, that the only way to secure this problem is to check everyone.

My idea is to have a carousel if you will, much like a ski lift. You have seats, spaced 3 feet apart, sitting sideways, on a conveyer belt. You step on the conveyor, sit down, and take your shoes, bags, metal, etc and place them in a tub that is on a conveyor that moves with you. The seat would go under the metal detector, and your items under the X-Ray machine, similar to the current model. BUT, if you get flagged (set of the detectors), you get up out of the chair pick up your tub, and go to another walk through line. This would expedite the people that have there stuff ready to go. 90% of the public would just float under the machines, and be on there way. The conveyor would keep moving, and the retards that hold the line up would be pulled out and sent to another line so they could take there belt buckle off and go through the detector again.

And for the people that understand the system, and are ready to go, the conveyor would just keep moving. I think this would cut the TSA security time by half.

If you see this somewhere think of me, I will be out of this industry and on the beach somewhere earning 10% on my money.

Mark
 
excellent
 
My second idea is to have a small concession stand along the way, where you could sell coffee, newspapers and magazines. The next would be a small stand with multiple size envelopes, incase you forgot your pocket knife in your pocket. You could fill your info out on the envelope, and send it back to your home.

All while the conveyer keeps moving.
 
ELVISP said:
Ok, so what is the consensus out there?
Do we take the information given that terrorists for the most part are muslim, male, 18-35 and Jihadist and begin to crack down on them leaving alone the 85 year old woman and mother with 2 babies? I don't have detailed research data but, I would imagine that this would cut down on what the avarage American travelor can carry in their carry on as well as create shorter security checkpoint lines.
Or...do we assume that racial profiling is unreliable, because instead of looking at criminal behavior simply focus on the color of their skin and basically making an entire race guilty untill proven innocent? Not to mention what would stop these terrorist sects from then recruiting soldiers that do not fit the profile and that could more easily slip through the cracks?
What says you?
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Hey ace, Muslim is not a race.
 
Profiling, in any case, is usually good police work. Look for something or someone that fits a pattern. If the pattern is young, male, Arab, then focus your energy in that regard.

White guy in a business suit walking in a drug infested neighborhood? Doesn't belong...if a cop sees him and busts him with drugs, can he cry 'racial profiling?' Is that economic profilling? Look, if the cops in my city are NOT profiling in some way to prevent crime, then I want my tax dollars back. Don't surveil old white ladies when you're looking for rapist, and don't profile young black women when you're looking for a serial killer. It "could" happen, but it ain't likely and is a waste of resources.
 
Bad.

Remember the UK liquid bomb terror plot? Who was responsible for tipping off the authorities, and in essense, stopping the plot from being carried out?

It was the average John Doe members of the British Muslim community. They heard something bad was being planned by some members within their own muslim community, and they decided to step up and alert the authorities to stop the attack from happening.

By profiling Muslims only in America, this will breed distrust from the Muslim community and the government. If they distrust the government, they won't speak up if they hear something bad goin on in their own ranks.

To fight terror effectively, we need to win over (which we have) an keep the good muslims in this nation and Britain on OUR side. Most effective terror fighting tool is listening to what the good Muslims have heard about the "bad" Muslims within their own community (if there are the bad ones planning something malicious).

Get it?



I say NO to racial/religious profile, but I say YES YES YES to BEHAVIORAL PROFILING.
 
First, its only called ratial profiling by the ACLU. Second, as stated well enough before, it's called "profiling", period, other adjectives muddy the water.

YES:bomb:
 
I say NO to racial/religious profile, but I say YES YES YES to BEHAVIORAL PROFILING.[/quote]

Then you are overlooking the ROOT of the problem. It is a RELIGIOUS thing. If you think otherwise you need to listen better. They (the terrorists) have even told us so on NUMEROUS occasions.
 
Start by screening out people who don't commit terror attacks. Don't waste time on screening elderly women, toddlers, etc. People who are not screened out, should be fully screened. This would definitely include 20-30 year old men. This isn't technically profiling because you aren't subjecting certain ethnicities to high screening, you are subjecting low threat groups to less intensive screening.

Muslims and terrorists don't necessarily fit stereotypes. Many caucasians who look like "average Americans" are Muslims. John Walker Lindh, captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban, is white. Jose Padilla is hispanic. John Allan Muhammad, the DC sniper, is black. Many prison inmates of all ethnicities convert to Islam while in prison. Furthermore, Muslims from Albania, the former Yugoslavia, and the former Soviet Republics are often European in appearance, not Arab.
 
So good it's baaaad. At least until Norwegian grandmothers start slaughtering innocents. Then we're back to square one.
 
Hvy said:
I say NO to racial/religious profile, but I say YES YES YES to BEHAVIORAL PROFILING.
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Then you are overlooking the ROOT of the problem. It is a RELIGIOUS thing. If you think otherwise you need to listen better. They (the terrorists) have even told us so on NUMEROUS occasions.[/quote]


Hmmm, I guess I should stop seeing my Pakistani AME for my medicals.... who knows what he could be planning.

Go back and crawl in your little hole you climbed out of, al-Qaeda can't get you there.
 
exactly!!! Excellent idea, even better if idiots wouldn't keep listening to morons screaming about civil liberties. like the bozo the clown retart.
 
Hmmm, I guess I should stop seeing my Pakistani AME for my medicals.... who knows what he could be planning.

Go back and crawl in your little hole you climbed out of, al-Qaeda can't get you there.
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Flyer...

You should listen to your wife...

You're pretty dumb.

The concept of profiling means that a target group is more likely to contain individuals who display a certain behavior.

This has been warped by the ACLU to mean that we are calling every Muslim a terrorist.

NO

But, with all due respects to your AME, a terrorist is more likely to be a Pakistani male between 18-35, than a Swedish Au Pair between 19 and 24.
 
If we don't face the facts, there will be another 9/11. Not by Norwegian grandmothers, but by Muslim extremists. Not just the 18-40 year old males either.
I saw a chilling preview on CNN this morning showing an interview with a 3 YEAR OLD Muslim girl who has already been taught hatred and already referred to Jews as Pigs and Apes. Imams all over the world, including our own country, are teaching this in Mosques and schools.
The beauty of it is is NOT racial profiling because Islam is NOT a race. However, the Muslim world has made no bones about what their intentions are. They want to blow the entire world back to the 12th century and will do anything to achieve that goal.
If the majority of the Muslim world doesn't share the views of the extremists, then why do they do nothing to stop them? I don't buy it for a second.
If we don't get our heads out of the sand we are going to PC ourselves right into non existence.

While not necessarily a big fan of profiling, we are facing a danger the likes of which we haven't seen before, and I find it harder and harder to argue against it.
 
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MAGNUM!! said:
Profiling, in any case, is usually good police work. Look for something or someone that fits a pattern. If the pattern is young, male, Arab, then focus your energy in that regard.

White guy in a business suit walking in a drug infested neighborhood? Doesn't belong...if a cop sees him and busts him with drugs, can he cry 'racial profiling?' Is that economic profilling? Look, if the cops in my city are NOT profiling in some way to prevent crime, then I want my tax dollars back. Don't surveil old white ladies when you're looking for rapist, and don't profile young black women when you're looking for a serial killer. It "could" happen, but it ain't likely and is a waste of resources.
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As a minority, when I hear racial/ethnic profiling, the hairs on the back of my neck normally stand up. Why?? Mostly because I can guarantee you that will never intentionally commit a crime, but it can't be guaranteed that I will never be charged with one. Me, I have nothing to hide when I'm a passenger (or operating unless I'm coming back from Asia and customs is enroute) so I really could care less except for the above statement.

What pisses me off though, is that with all the technological genius we have in this country, it is still possible to get things that can explode, detonate, kill or maim on board an airplane. I would not care if Osama himself were onboard a flight if through digital sub-atomic spectral imagery or something that sounds cool but works, it was confirmed that neither he, his carryon, or checked luggage were in any way a threat. Of course I would personally would kick the S*#T out of him before pushback, oh that would be the crime I said I would not commit.

Bottom line--ethnic profiling is like putting a bandaid on a broken leg. Eventually someone outside the profiled group(s) will attempt a similar act and will have a higher percentage chance of succeeding since we would not be focusing on them. If we have not fixed the true problem which is accurate, effective and error free passenger screening, the threat will still exits.
 
vetteracer said:
...but I think the real threat may come from WHITE turn coats. The Muslims know that we are watching them, and will find another avenue...I often thought of a solution for this, but the fact remains, that the only way to secure this problem is to check everyone.

Mark
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you hit the nail on the head.

the reason some terrorist attacks have been successful is that they thought outside of the box. I can guarantee that if racial profiling started tomorrow, the first thing the terrorists would do is recruit some whities disgruntled with the system to carry out their attacks.

and for what it's worth, even if there had been racial profiling on september 11, I doubt that anything would have been prevented. these guys didn't take anything illegal through the checkpoints. granted, with 20-20 hindsight, what they were doing was unusual, but at the time, nobody could have conceived of what they were about to do. they were successful (and I mean that in the most horrible way) because they were innovative.

yes, it's an inconvenience to have little old ladies get checked, but it's a neccessary evil. the second we start focusing on a certain group, terrorists will find an untargeted group to get through. better just to have everyone get checked.

besides, it's un-american
 
GOOD! Don't ever forget what happened on 9/11. The world has changed, and so has the right to profile. We have every right to do so since what happened that day. The US ought to still be pi$$ed off, and take political correction out of all things spoken.
 
Unless the US grows a pair and faces reality, all those CNN spots you see on suicide bombs in public squares, markets and busses in Israel, get ready to start seeing them right here in the US.

Bleeding hearts= bloody corpses.
 

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