question for Republic people

[olympus593]

I bet the guys at PDT are sick of telling people that they are sorry for the POS they are flying. The company memo DJ put out memo telling them not to use the APU that it would save 36 dollars... Smart but at the same time stupid... PAX are scared and are now going to get sick. it really sucks for your guys when you have to fly around at 9000 watching for cessna traffic when we are up at 360-410 debating if we would at some heat to the air. I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

PDT BLOWS no regrets leaving there at all. You may have a good contract but you can't even use it.

Good luck... i just watched the video of doug parker telling the sim spazz Paul... that you were not getting airplanes...

Looks like the only place you guys are going is down the S-H-I-T-T-E-R

Unless we whore ourself out like some of the contract carrier. Why do you think you got all the F100 replacement flying? Because you do it for Cheaper. The new F/O only make 25K a year but you got your new airplane. Be proud.

 

[kf4amu]

I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

Little less? We just went over how the hourly pay credit is consistently 20 percent more at PDT, plus the rate is higher. And from what former pilots say, they all miss the Dash, so it can't be too bad.

 

[MCOE175]

Just remember PDT blows... the managment sucks... the schedules suck... the routes suck...
Farrow has no balls and because of his lack of testies PDT has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Honestly, can you really defend a company that will not put any money back into itself? I mean look at the "corporate office". Look at dispatch and their nice set up. They won't even let you have crew track or FLICA or anything other than their wonderful website. The managment there, only cares about the blue dots on the bottom of coke cans. You think you can put another 90K cycles on that dash? Apparantly your managers do!
Also, there is no QOL of life at PDT.
Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.
Who do you work for again?

 

[trainer8]

I bet the guys at PDT are sick of telling people that they are sorry for the POS they are flying. The company memo DJ put out memo telling them not to use the APU that it would save 36 dollars... Smart but at the same time stupid... PAX are scared and are now going to get sick. it really sucks for your guys when you have to fly around at 9000 watching for cessna traffic when we are up at 360-410 debating if we would at some heat to the air. I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

PDT BLOWS no regrets leaving there at all. You may have a good contract but you can't even use it.

Good luck... i just watched the video of doug parker telling the sim spazz Paul... that you were not getting airplanes...

Looks like the only place you guys are going is down the S-H-I-T-T-E-R

So you see, we have these kind here at RPA, too. Not a smart post.

What he didn't tell you is that he got a memo from his CP with APU fuel guidlines, too. And, based on his profile, if RPA furloughs, (we have 17 airframes parked as of mid-June), he may be looking for work, too. With oil at $130/bbl, nobody is safe, except maybe SWA. Not a time to be cocky.

*sigh*

BTW, the only time you get up FL410 in the E170/175 is when your GW is 58K or less, which means, you are hauling very few pax, (if not empty) or on a repo/ferry flight. No wonder you're cold.

T8

 

[WSurf]

Just remember PDT blows... the managment sucks... the schedules suck... the routes suck...
Farrow has no balls and because of his lack of testies PDT has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Honestly, can you really defend a company that will not put any money back into itself? I mean look at the "corporate office". Look at dispatch and their nice set up. They won't even let you have crew track or FLICA or anything other than their wonderful website. The managment there, only cares about the blue dots on the bottom of coke cans. You think you can put another 90K cycles on that dash? Apparantly your managers do!
Also, there is no QOL of life at PDT.
Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.
Who do you work for again?

LOL, and Mesa won the Best Regional of the Year Three years ago.

One thing you learn in this industry is that you can be on top one day, and bottom feeder the next.

Thank god your at Republic and not still at PDT.

 

[WSurf]

Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.

Image? What do you make an hour to fly the E-175? Nice Image.

 

[olympus593]

Here what the RPA pilot don't want to tell you.
Quote/Unquote from an ex PDT F/O that went to RPA and was jumpeating on us "we want a better contract but we don't want the best contract because we need to keep cost low so that we can keep growing" looking at you F/O pay rate and your contract I guess you got to upgrade ASAP if you want to make a living. That mentality is the problem in this industry.

 

[olympus593]

No argument. The point is, are you happy where you are at?

Is your management progressive or stagnant? Comparatively, yes, PDT does have good work rules and rates, considering the equipment. Those were hard fought for items in previous contracts. But how viable is PDT given the potential of mergers and consolidation?

My understanding is the DP has no plans to replace the airframes. What has SF told you about future flying? Status quo? Feed the mainline? Flow Through?

Yes, good work rules and great pay...for how long?

As for cocky pilots...well, welcome to the world of aviators. Every company has them, including yours.

And the DHC-8...a great airframe. The fact it is still in use should say something about it's versatility and strength. I loved flying it. But it was time to move on.

T8

I guess what you don't get is that RPA is growing because they are cheaper ( bottom feeder ), nothing to do with this BS progressive managment.
Maybe you could offer to fly A330/B777 for your current rate you would probably grow even faster but at least you would have new airplanes.

Your right PDT is stagnant and will be as long as airlines as your (or mesa, TSA, ETC) are willing to do it for less. Why would Airways give us the flying if we cost more than you? Bottom line RPA/MESA/TSA/ are the cancer of the industry.

 

[trainer8]

I guess what you don't get is that RPA is growing because they are cheaper ( bottom feeder ), nothing to do with this BS progressive managment. Maybe you could offer to fly A330/B777 for your current rate you would probably grow even faster but at least you would have new airplanes.

Your right PDT is stagnant and will be as long as airlines as your (or mesa, TSA, ETC) are willing to do it for less. Why would Airways give us the flying if we cost more than you? Bottom line RPA/MESA/TSA/ are the cancer of the industry.

PDT's stagnant run has to do with management. Blaming MESA, RPA, TSA is a coward's tantrum.

You want to place your blame where it truley lies? MAINLINE ALPA LCC MEC. Ask any Mainline pilot and they will tell you the LCC ALPA messed up by giving away flying from US Airways Group carriers. That was a negotiated deal by US Airways ALPA. You can have your tantrum about contract carriers, but the truth lies in the agreements that negotiated flying away from Group carriers.

Pay scales at RPA are aligned pretty close to PDTs, except the Capt rates cap out at $119/hr--add E175 overide and its about $127/hr--(vs LCC's E190 95/hr and PDT's 78/hr) FO rates at RPA don't go above 5th year. Up until March, it was a 2.5 year upgrade time.

Why did PSA get SJ's? I know the answer. They caved in on cheap RJ rates and broke ranks with the other PWOs. Check your history. Why are many PDT pilots not going to LCC? Low pay on the junior aircraft, the E190. WSurf, your reason? (Yes, I know the first couple classes went west on the AB and B737). It's the same reason the E190s at LCC are flown at competative RJ rates. It's what was negotiated your bargaining agent, ALPA. ALPA had the opportunity to bring in the PWOs, but didn't. The rest is history.

T8

 

[olympus593]

PDT's stagnant run has to do with management. Blaming MESA, RPA, TSA is a coward's tantrum.

You want to place your blame where it truley lies? MAINLINE ALPA LCC MEC. Ask any Mainline pilot and they will tell you the LCC ALPA messed up by giving away flying from US Airways Group carriers. That was a negotiated deal by US Airways ALPA. You can have your tantrum about contract carriers, but the truth lies in the agreements that negotiated flying away from Group carriers.

Pay scales at RPA are aligned pretty close to PDTs, except the Capt rates cap out at $119/hr--add E175 overide and its about $127/hr--(vs LCC's E190 95/hr and PDT's 78/hr) FO rates at RPA don't go above 5th year. Up until March, it was a 2.5 year upgrade time.

Why did PSA get SJ's? I know the answer. They caved in on cheap RJ rates and broke ranks with the other PWOs. Check your history. Why are many PDT pilots not going to LCC? Low pay on the junior aircraft, the E190. WSurf, your reason? (Yes, I know the first couple classes went west on the AB and B737). It's the same reason the E190s at LCC are flown at competative RJ rates. It's what was negotiated your bargaining agent, ALPA. ALPA had the opportunity to bring in the PWOs, but didn't. The rest is history.

T8

Mainline LCC MEC gave up on scope but why? Because airways knew they you get somebody else to to it for cheaper, so they put it about for bid and RPA won by being the cheaper on the back off the RPA employee, but don't worry some body else will next time around but on your flying for cheaper and so on and so forth, just don't be crying to me when that happen and you lose your contract .
BTW I'll be more than happy to put my W2 against your any day I still make for as a PDT CA that you do as a RPA CA. Flying half the seat...

 

[mu2]

MCOE175, you go to the store on your day off dressed in full uniform don't you?

 

[kf4amu]

Pay scales at RPA are aligned pretty close to PDTs, except the Capt rates cap out at $119/hr--add E175 overide and its about $127/hr--(vs LCC's E190 95/hr and PDT's 78/hr) FO rates at RPA don't go above 5th year. Up until March, it was a 2.5 year upgrade time.
T8

So, considering the pay credit as PDT is consistently 25-30 percent more than republic, are you saying that PDT pilots make more per paycheck until they get to the Capt rates you mentioned? With half the seats?

 

[trainer8]

So, considering the pay credit as PDT is consistently 25-30 percent more than republic, are you saying that PDT pilots make more per paycheck until they get to the Capt rates you mentioned? With half the seats?

Your formula, based on prior post of PDT pilots averaging 100+ hours of pay each month (which I believe, mine was about 102 when I was there) assumes RPA pilots make only straight guarantee. That is not accurate in my opinion. I looked at my last three months pay stubs and I averaged a little over 95 hours of pay credit. FO to FO, probably yes. Given the seniority disparity at PDT (lots of senior captains from the '70's and '80's) and the juniority captains at RPA (industry, top fifty guys have DOHs in the late '90s), the payroll at PDT is probably higher. Because of the ASMs and CASMs, RPA might be more profitable, I don't know. PDT's bottom line was always a mystery in the Group picture. RPA has been profitable from day one.

Over all, yes, I think your assessment is correct, less the percentage disparity. PDT continues to be a great place to cut your teeth on 121 Ops...given you can get through JK's NASA program for the Dash. How long it will last...for any of us, is unknown.

T8

 

[CoolGuy92]

All I have to say is: Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics.... Even if you win, you are still retarded.....

There are good guys and gals at all three companies. Some people will argue over these stupid differences that none of us have any real control over in all reality. We all work for the regionals, and the good old days of the glamorous main line job are long gone. Perhaps one day these things will change, but for now it truly sucks. Its the p@#$ poor attitudes about who's dick is bigger thats the real problem. Grow up, try to work on better contracts and do your freaking job! Don't be a prick and try to be friendly with your brothers and sisters at other regionals. You never know when you just might share the cockpit with them down the road. Okay rant over...

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Quick reality check for everyone here:

Piedmont is indeed stagnant... like an old drainage pod.

BUT... In this economy, stagnation is GOOD. If you can hang onto your job through this horrible mess you are in good shape. Upgrade times, the type of airplane you fly and whether or not chicks dig beta (they do, btw) matters not. Only having a job. There are a lot of folks hitting the street and more to follow. Will you? Never ever get comfy. Anything can happen.

For now, fly professionally, be humble, save some gas if you can and build up the savings account emergency fund. Treat everyone with respect, because you never know where you might have to apply for a job next.

I remember a certian Mesa CA just after 9-11 telling me how their growth would never end. I told him he was nuts... Every airline will end up having a rough time at some point. Every one except SWA (...yet) has. Turns out for once I was right.

A few weeks ago, a nice lady who is a REP CA told me almost the same thing: "We are going to grow for a long time, we are immune to the economy." Anyone want to place any bets that she is right?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

My mom says theirs a lot of black people in Africa.

 

[WSurf]

All I have to say is: Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics.... Even if you win, you are still retarded.....

LOL, yea kinda like calling a retarded kick for double dribble in basketball............. Sometimes you just gotta let it slide!

 

[meyers9163]

So in conclusion, until you are flying the airplane and it does not have the "express" next to it. You are all working for a regional. Regionals all suck and your flying could be gone tomorrow as the name before the express on your plane goes so does your flying.....


So to sum it up, PDT/PSA/RAH/AWAC/ASA/Comair/Compass/etc etc etc they are all regionals. Work rules suck and they all suck. Wait until you get to a major then you will see what decent work rules are like. But even then they are not what they use to be. Thus many would tell you they suck still!

Did I miss anything? regionals suck almost as mesa sucks? (figured that might be a good comparison for the mesa haters out there as well)

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Did I miss anything?

Yes, you were conceived from your mom's ass.:laugh:

 

[kf4amu]

Over all, yes, I think your assessment is correct, less the percentage disparity. PDT continues to be a great place to cut your teeth on 121 Ops...given you can get through JK's NASA program for the Dash. How long it will last...for any of us, is unknown.

T8

Good deal. I guess its all in what the individual wants from their job. PDT fits me fine at the moment.