PVD closed: Aircraft slid off runway

[zasca]

Well in Sioux City they dropped the wing into a corn field and was rolling/yawing out of control.

 

[Crossky]

Considering that the NTSB nor AWAC has said anything, I find it hard to believe any numbers and/or stories that anyone comes up with...Except for my one friend that is a senior check airman at mainline...

I think the following counts as the NTSB saying something, don't you? Or are you referring to other speculation and rumors?

NTSB Identification: DCA08FA018
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of AIR WISCONSIN AIRLINES CORPORATION
Accident occurred Sunday, December 16, 2007 in Providence, RI
Aircraft: Bombardier CL600-2B19, registration: N470ZW
Injuries: 34 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On December 16, 2007, at 1648 eastern standard time, a Bombardier CRJ-200 (CL600-2B19), registration N470ZW, operated by Air Wisconsin as flight 758A, departed the runway after a hard landing at the Theodore Francis Greene State Airport, Providence, RI. The flight was a regularly scheduled passenger flight which departed Philadelphia at 1600 EST. The 3 crew members and 31 passengers were not injured, and exited the airplane via the normal airstair door. Initial information indicates that the airplane touched down hard at approximately 1000-1200 feet from the threshold of runway 5. The airplane porpoised after touchdown and exited the left side of the runway. Fiberglass parts consistent with the main gear door were found nearby broken runway edge lights about 2500 feet from the threshold. At approximately 3000 feet from the threshold the left main gear entered the snow and grass area, and by 3200 feet, both main gear had exited the runway. The airplane came to a stop on a magnetic heading of approximately 320 degrees at about 3700 feet from the threshold. Runway 5 is 7,166 feet long by 150 feet wide, and is a CAT II instrument runway.

The left main gear collapsed, the drag brace or trunnion was seen fractured, and the wheel punctured the flap and left upper wing skin. Wing tip damage was also observed. There was no fuel spill.

Weather conditions were reported as wind 050 at 3 knots, overcast 300 feet, visibility 1 ½ miles in light rain and mist, temperature 3, dewpoint 2, barometric pressure 29.87 and pressure falling rapidly. Approximately 4 minutes prior to the accident, an arriving B737 reported braking action good. The runway condition was reported as wet at the time of the event.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Ouch. Off an ILS? You've gotta work at getting that result. Oh well, that's what management wants. Cheap labor that flies like it, with an accident every now and again. It's cheaper in the long run!!!

 

[1973Arrow]

I think the following counts as the NTSB saying something, don't you? Or are you referring to other speculation and rumors?

NTSB Identification: DCA08FA018

Thats all preliminiary data. And it doesn't say anything towards the cause of the accident. To sum up what it said, an airplane slid off the side of the runway. It doesn't give a single reason why.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

They broke the left main landing gear. They slid off the left side of the runway. Are you dumb or just a regional pilot.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hard landing, "porpoised after touchdown and exited the left side of the runway"
Those are some SWEET PILOT SKILLS! Bet they are good with numchuks, and/or bowstaff too.
PBR

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm sure glad Skywest has never run an airplane off a runway. Or Pinnacle. Or Mesa. Or Eagle. Or RAH. Or Expressjet. Or Southwest. I'm glad to report ASA pilots seem to have a clean landing record according to the NTSB, but probably because they're all still waiting for a gate in ATL.

Sure glad Comair pilots always take off on the right runway.

And Northwest pilots always use flaps for takeoff.

And FedEx pilots always actually land on the runway.

And American pilots always avoid terrain while on approach.

Sh!t happens to everybody folks; bad weather and low-experience pilots at the regionals only exacerbate the situation. What we do is risky and mistakes are sometimes made, which is all the more reason to do your job with a SAFETY FIRST attitude. Be careful out there folks...

 

[MusicMan]

The scary thing is, these 300 hr FOs have to become Captain at some point.

So thats fine, don't let them fly. Then you'll have a Captain whos never shot an approach down to minimums.

Hmmmm.....

As I said, discretion will be required. No, I don't think a 300 hr newhire f/o's first approach needs to be down to minimums on an icy runway. There is a learning curve. The new guys are typically great until they turn the autopilot off at 300 ft and then it's a wild ride down. That's in VMC. Once they learn to handle that, then they can step up to flying approaches in the clag. They can learn to fly the aircraft and then handle the inclement conditions next. They will have plenty of different experiences once they upgrade. No need to hog a leg from an f/o with 2000 hrs in type just because he's and f/o. Clearly discretion is required though.

 

[FastJP4]

Sucks for the crew. But as the wx shows - fairly benign conditions. That said, IF it was a low time FO - this is probably not an approach he should be shooting. Like with everything else, you have to work your way down with practice and experience. Most importantly to me as a CA is IF it was an unstable approach, the CA should have taken the controls and bugged out to shoot another one. Bad approach leads to bad results, go missed so the FO can learn from the experience and the a/c remains airworthy for its next leg.

 

[WSurf]

Note: Remember Captains that these 300hr guys are flying under YOUR CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!