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PunchTheClown said:
1) The J4J's. They all get slotted and if you didnt know this, the first 10 900's that come on line would be staffed ONLY by JJ's.
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Actually, that's not correct but I see your point. It's based on % of fleet.
 
im sure RP and or Mesa pilots would be throwing banana peels in front of EVERYONE to get those planes........
 
lookin4better said:
im sure RP and or Mesa pilots would be throwing banana peels in front of EVERYONE to get those planes........
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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I think you gotta give the Mesa pilots a little more credit than that. I used to jumpseat all the time on them when the ERJs were in CLT. Not one guy I talked to was happy about their company and all wanted change.
 
OPECJet said:
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I think you gotta give the Mesa pilots a little more credit than that. I used to jumpseat all the time on them when the ERJs were in CLT. Not one guy I talked to was happy about their company and all wanted change.
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Unfortunately, it seems everytime the opportunity to stop the race with their actions, all the talking in the world goes away very quickly. Its really easy to talk smack, much harder to put in that vote that actually carries a little risk. Who know maybe the next vote will be a change
 
FR8mastr said:
Unfortunately, it seems everytime the opportunity to stop the race with their actions, all the talking in the world goes away very quickly. Its really easy to talk smack, much harder to put in that vote that actually carries a little risk. Who know maybe the next vote will be a change
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"everytime the opportunity" - list them - list exactly how many opportunities the Mesa pilots have had to change the contract?

They had one opportunity, when it got voted in, and whether you agree with the history or not, everybody who is flying at a company that DOESN'T have an alter-ego non-union airline running alongside them owes the Mesa pilots a vote of thanks. Ask TSA how that's going for them!

Not everything in the regional pilot world is Mesa's fault. A lot of it is, but not all of it :)
 
lookin4better said:
im sure RP and or Mesa pilots would be throwing banana peels in front of EVERYONE to get those planes........
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Why? Believe me, the pilots at Mesa have all the flying they can handle for now. The COMPANY might be throwing things to get the flying, but I doubt the pilots are.
 
Uhmm...CFI'r. where ya been??? Isn't Ornstein the inventer of PFD idea, along with then filling the ranks with low time pilots eager to fly a jet? The chance you had was to not go there, but alas, fly a jet and a quick upgrade was too enticing??? Then they get there, and they are unhappy, go figure.
 
I'd like PUnch to clarify what he meant to. My understanding is Growth Aircraft means simply 50% of those seats come available to J4J. That's one issue.

The 2nd would be the slotting, which is based on the ratio of 70+ seats to 50 seaters. 100% slotting would occur when the 20th 900 shows up, equaling 35 200's 34 70+. Or about 18months down the road. But the increase in lines would probably increase faster then the slotting, so it would prob. still net out to a increase in line holders all the way around... Approx. numbers, 20 a/c, 80 lines increased. If no other J4J's come, then only about 35-40 guys left to be slotted. Currently 60 acitve J4J's ...20something slotted.

If all the possible new J4J slots filled. approx. 40 pilots. Looks like, if they are all slotted they come in holding a line, but 40 more PSA guys would hold lines too. Could be wrong, but just doing some quick figure, whereas the first 10 900's won't be completely staffed J4J....dunno where you got that.
 
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Crzipilot said:
Uhmm...CFI'r. where ya been??? Isn't Ornstein the inventer of PFD idea, along with then filling the ranks with low time pilots eager to fly a jet? The chance you had was to not go there, but alas, fly a jet and a quick upgrade was too enticing??? Then they get there, and they are unhappy, go figure.
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This is going to come as a horrible, horrible shock to you. I had other choices and I chose Mesa. And, possibly the worse thing anybody can say, I'm happy here.

You don't know why I chose Mesa - but to address your concerns. If assigned the Beech or the Dash I would have flown them, I wouldn't have been happy, but not because they're turbo-props, because of the bases. I can't hold upgrade, but even when I can hold upgrade it's likely I won't immediately bid it.

What are your other reasons I came to Mesa then, we'll see if we can refute them?
 
CFIse said:
This is going to come as a horrible, horrible shock to you. I had other choices and I chose Mesa. And, possibly the worse thing anybody can say, I'm happy here.

You don't know why I chose Mesa - but to address your concerns. If assigned the Beech or the Dash I would have flown them, I wouldn't have been happy, but not because they're turbo-props, because of the bases. I can't hold upgrade, but even when I can hold upgrade it's likely I won't immediately bid it.

What are your other reasons I came to Mesa then, we'll see if we can refute them?
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Must be nice to come home to a home cooked meal after your 4-day. I wish I still lived at home, mom's really are the best cooks!
 
AWACO said:
Must be nice to come home to a home cooked meal after your 4-day. I wish I still lived at home, mom's really are the best cooks!
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Oh so close, but my Mom's dead, but thanks for bringing it up.
 
Pilots with balls are those who vote with their hearts not with angry union freaks! Don't let em tell you how to run your life!!
 
Newman55 said:
Pilots with balls are those who vote with their hearts not with angry union freaks! Don't let em tell you how to run your life!!
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That sounds just like a management stooge line of thinking.
If you listen to your union, fellow pilots in the same boat as you, then you cant think on your own and they are trying to run your life. If however you listen to management and accept the allowance of a wage that they wish you are a "clear thinker"
Go ahead vote with your heart and rest assured that management has your best interest in mind. One look at their stock plans and pay rates will confirm that they are all about fair play and honesty.

I think you should run for union office you can bring a new era of "cooperation" with management. they will love you.
 
FR8mastr said:
That sounds just like a management stooge line of thinking.
If you listen to your union, fellow pilots in the same boat as you, then you cant think on your own and they are trying to run your life. If however you listen to management and accept the allowance of a wage that they wish you are a "clear thinker"
Go ahead vote with your heart and rest assured that management has your best interest in mind. One look at their stock plans and pay rates will confirm that they are all about fair play and honesty.

I think you should run for union office you can bring a new era of "cooperation" with management. they will love you.
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I would be delighted to run for office actually. A new era of cooperation between both parties is whats in order. No more hostility. Both sides have obligations lets see if it can be done. Working together is much easier than working against each other.
 
Newman55 said:
I would be delighted to run for office actually. A new era of cooperation between both parties is whats in order. No more hostility. Both sides have obligations lets see if it can be done. Working together is much easier than working against each other.
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What evidence do you have that the other side has any interest in "a new era of cooperation?" I haven't seen any.

Jeezum crow, someone needs a reality check.
 
ReverseSensing said:
What evidence do you have that the other side has any interest in "a new era of cooperation?" I haven't seen any.

Jeezum crow, someone needs a reality check.
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Well management is certainly trying. They are trying to get the PSA pilots more airplanes so they are able to upgrade. Somewhere in the past the pilot/management relationship went off into a tangent and now its out of control. Pilots think management are money thieving punks who are always out to get them no matter what. Management thinks pilots are lazy arrogant greedy punks who always get drunk and try to score with FAs. While some of that may be true most of it is not.

The point is its time for both sides to step up to the plate and try and begin the healing process. Idealistic thinking? Perhaps. One thing for sure sitting there and calling each other names or holding picket signs doesn't help one iota. An olive branch must be offered from both sides. Lets face it management needs pilots, etc to get things done. Pilots need management to sign their check every two weeks. We need each other and therefore need to work together instead of against each other. That being said we also need to educate union members to stop telling people how to run their life. That is my platform.
 
Now I'm SOLD you are Duhangelo, or at least a fellow management stooge. MO's the same, just a slightly kinder/gentler delivery...
 

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