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AWACO said:
Must be nice to come home to a home cooked meal after your 4-day. I wish I still lived at home, mom's really are the best cooks!
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Oh so close, but my Mom's dead, but thanks for bringing it up.
 
Pilots with balls are those who vote with their hearts not with angry union freaks! Don't let em tell you how to run your life!!
 
Newman55 said:
Pilots with balls are those who vote with their hearts not with angry union freaks! Don't let em tell you how to run your life!!
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That sounds just like a management stooge line of thinking.
If you listen to your union, fellow pilots in the same boat as you, then you cant think on your own and they are trying to run your life. If however you listen to management and accept the allowance of a wage that they wish you are a "clear thinker"
Go ahead vote with your heart and rest assured that management has your best interest in mind. One look at their stock plans and pay rates will confirm that they are all about fair play and honesty.

I think you should run for union office you can bring a new era of "cooperation" with management. they will love you.
 
FR8mastr said:
That sounds just like a management stooge line of thinking.
If you listen to your union, fellow pilots in the same boat as you, then you cant think on your own and they are trying to run your life. If however you listen to management and accept the allowance of a wage that they wish you are a "clear thinker"
Go ahead vote with your heart and rest assured that management has your best interest in mind. One look at their stock plans and pay rates will confirm that they are all about fair play and honesty.

I think you should run for union office you can bring a new era of "cooperation" with management. they will love you.
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I would be delighted to run for office actually. A new era of cooperation between both parties is whats in order. No more hostility. Both sides have obligations lets see if it can be done. Working together is much easier than working against each other.
 
Newman55 said:
I would be delighted to run for office actually. A new era of cooperation between both parties is whats in order. No more hostility. Both sides have obligations lets see if it can be done. Working together is much easier than working against each other.
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What evidence do you have that the other side has any interest in "a new era of cooperation?" I haven't seen any.

Jeezum crow, someone needs a reality check.
 
ReverseSensing said:
What evidence do you have that the other side has any interest in "a new era of cooperation?" I haven't seen any.

Jeezum crow, someone needs a reality check.
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Well management is certainly trying. They are trying to get the PSA pilots more airplanes so they are able to upgrade. Somewhere in the past the pilot/management relationship went off into a tangent and now its out of control. Pilots think management are money thieving punks who are always out to get them no matter what. Management thinks pilots are lazy arrogant greedy punks who always get drunk and try to score with FAs. While some of that may be true most of it is not.

The point is its time for both sides to step up to the plate and try and begin the healing process. Idealistic thinking? Perhaps. One thing for sure sitting there and calling each other names or holding picket signs doesn't help one iota. An olive branch must be offered from both sides. Lets face it management needs pilots, etc to get things done. Pilots need management to sign their check every two weeks. We need each other and therefore need to work together instead of against each other. That being said we also need to educate union members to stop telling people how to run their life. That is my platform.
 
Now I'm SOLD you are Duhangelo, or at least a fellow management stooge. MO's the same, just a slightly kinder/gentler delivery...
 
BoilerUP said:
Now I'm SOLD you are Duhangelo, or at least a fellow management stooge. MO's the same, just a slightly kinder/gentler delivery...
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sorry im not this Duhangelo person you are refering to. I saw some of his posts. He had interesting ideas but thats about it. I looked over some of his old posts. He definately had some good points and some bad points. His call for the union to develop a new vision had some interesting points. I am not D'Angelo however. Just a pilot who is saying NO MORE. I've had it with union abuse and management abuse.
 
Newman55 said:
They are trying to get the PSA pilots more airplanes so they are able to upgrade.
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If the pilot group agree to get the 90 seaters, they plan on going through the APL list again. If so, no growth, no upgrades, trading in the 50 seaters for the 90 seaters and guess what you are in the same spot. Just vote no, junior.
 
Newman55 said:
sorry im not this Duhangelo person you are refering to. I saw some of his posts. He had interesting ideas but thats about it. I looked over some of his old posts. He definately had some good points and some bad points. His call for the union to develop a new vision had some interesting points. I am not D'Angelo however. Just a pilot who is saying NO MORE. I've had it with union abuse and management abuse.
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Whatever. PSA pilots..stand up and raise the bar....we are all counting on you.

W
 
Dubya said:
Whatever. PSA pilots..stand up and raise the bar....we are all counting on you.

W
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My question for you is this. Why does it always have to fall on some other pilot group to "raise the bar". If people vote in a deal they think is fair and just they just raised the bar for themselves. You have to take care of yourself and your pilot group first, worry about the rest of the industry later
 
Newman55 said:
You have to take care of yourself and your pilot group first, worry about the rest of the industry later
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Yeah, because you wouldn't want to be accused of taking a principled stand.:rolleyes:
 
ReverseSensing said:
Yeah, because you wouldn't want to be accused of taking a principled stand.:rolleyes:
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Taking care of your fellow pilot group and your family most certainly is taking a stand.
 
Newman55 said:
Taking care of your fellow pilot group and your family most certainly is taking a stand.
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Taking care of yourself first is a basic human instinct -- no real thinking involved. Accepting short-term sacrifice for long-term gain takes some soul-searching, but then I'm sure I've already lost you.
 
Newman55 said:
If people vote in a deal they think is fair and just they just raised the bar for themselves.
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As long as you try you're a winner.

You get an A for effort.

If you do the best you can, you are a champion.

Lets see, what else did they tell you after the short bus dropped you off?

Now, how about a group hug? (and then we can have cake. retards love cake.)
 
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doug_or said:
As long as you try you're a winner.

You get an A for effort.

If you do the best you can, you are a champion.

Lets see, what else did they tell you after the short bus dropped you off?

Now, how about a group hug? (and then we can have cake. retards love cake.)
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You forgot the daily reminder of the difference between "good touch" and "bad touch."
 
doug_or said:
As long as you try you're a winner.

You get an A for effort.

If you do the best you can, you are a champion.

Lets see, what else did they tell you after the short bus dropped you off?

Now, how about a group hug? (and then we can have cake. retards love cake.)
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The problem with "raising the bar" is that the definition is too subjective. Who decides where it gets to set. Why does everyone always have to try to outdo each other as far as contracts go? Why is having a contract in the middle such a bad thing? If the pilot group is satisfied with the contract they have then why the animosity? If they get a deal they think is fair and good they just raised the bar for themselves. Last time I read the union rulebook it made no mention of it being our job to try and raise the bar for everyone else, just for ourselves.
 
ReverseSensing said:
Taking care of yourself first is a basic human instinct -- no real thinking involved. Accepting short-term sacrifice for long-term gain takes some soul-searching, but then I'm sure I've already lost you.
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Yes but if PSA pilots decide that its best for the short term and the long term then they just raised the bar. If they vote no then they will either try to get the planes again or they will go to someone else. Unfortunately cost is everything in this cruel world
 
Newman55 said:
Unfortunately cost is everything in this cruel world
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Rather than thinking for yourself, you've accepted management's (false) premise. Cost *is not* everything. Particularly not pilot costs. Management would like us to believe that, and in your case (God forbid, Mr. future MEC member), they've succeeded.
 
ReverseSensing said:
Rather than thinking for yourself, you've accepted management's (false) premise. Cost *is not* everything. Particularly not pilot costs. Management would like us to believe that, and in your case (God forbid, Mr. future MEC member), they've succeeded.
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Labor costs are one of the higher costs in running an airline. It used to be one of if not the highest when economic times are better. Just as a perspective lets say you give everyone a $10/hr raise. Now times that by 85 hrs a month for an average. Times that by 12 for a whole year. Then you times that by say 1500 pilots that is a bit over $15 million dollars. That most certainly isn't something to sneeze at. $15 million dollars can still go a long way even in the airline buisness. To think pilot pay makes no difference is foolish. You need someone like me in the MEC. I can bring a whole new vision and strategy to the table. Maybe then our dues would be worth something again
 
BoilerUP said:
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH

Who do you fly for again, NotDuhangelo?
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I fly for Comair. Though I may sound similar to this D'Angelo gent I do not know him nor affiliate with him. Maybe ill see him one day and we can have a nice long chat about what we agree and disagree with. Don't let the avatar fool you. I simply like R&B music thats about all we have in common.
 
Newman...you wanna make a bet..All your IP's are logged and while they change, your service provider does not!!! You seem to just show up a few days after you...I mean D'Angelo were banned and you have not posted since X-Mas....Welcome back...as short as it may be
 
Alright Alright Alright....PSA will fly the 900,

but we DEMAND a heritage logo, a heritage plane with a big smiley face and a black radome cover, and a tri color orange arrow on the tail that points upward and says: "PSA"
 
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but we DEMAND a heritage logo, a heritage plane with a big smiley face and a black radome cover, and a tri color orange arrow on the tail that points upward and says: "PSA
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Yes that is a worthless demand. Now how about something that benefits the pilot group.
 
A lot of people are telling this pilot group to take a stand, but would any other pilot group back us, and not take the flying if it was offered to them at the same rates. I doubt it
 

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