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Oakum_Boy

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It's a turd. Just like PSA. Can't polish it or its pilots.
 

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"Commitment of job offers is the lesser of 25% of positions offered in a calendar year or four positions for each month US Airways hires pilots."

Wowie, four whole positions per month!?
 

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Good thing nobody's expecting greater than 1% annual inflation for the next TEN years.
 

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It comes down to this...There is a finite amount of money to be spent on payroll at the wholly-owned airlines vs. mainline. Doubtful that anyone from mainline would be voting to spread the "wealth" in the interest of leveling the playing field a bit.
On the other hand, pilots that made the decision to stay at PDT for 20+years face a very real possibility of paying a heavy price for thinking that working for a regional "was" a viable career.
 

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Just interested....how big is PSA? This is another example of scare tactics just to lower the bar some more. Hopefully they are big enough and smart enough to tell management the same thing as Eagle has so far.
Got to stop somewhere.
Wages are supposed to keep track with cost of living, are they not? I've rarely seen cost of living go down on an annual basis, so why are we giving in and not telling management where to shove it?
Find the pilots elsewhere if you can!

Taking your costs of learning to fly and getting a Subway franchise instead would be a better deal these days. If this passes a vote it will end up just like Bendover Airlines, and you'll probably never be able to find a "yes-man" if you ask.

So, which one is going to take the pole position? Bendover, Blowjets, or Brown streak? I hope Surejet or ********************tytaco don't enter the fray next! It really seems to be a race to see who gets to the bottom first. Meanwhile the GLs over at mainline are laughing at us all the way to the credit union over on A concourse.

This is utterly disgraceful.

Hopefully you guys will stand firm if you can. Best of luck!






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Larger RJs and more or less a promised job. They'll take it. Not wise to mess with your wholly owning major. Look at comair










Comair pilots took pay cuts and got shut down anyway... so what's your point?
 

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It comes down to this...There is a finite amount of money to be spent on payroll at the wholly-owned airlines vs. mainline. Doubtful that anyone from mainline would be voting to spread the "wealth" in the interest of leveling the playing field a bit.
On the other hand, pilots that made the decision to stay at PDT for 20+years face a very real possibility of paying a heavy price for thinking that working for a regional "was" a viable career.

I've flown with many of the 20 year Captains at PDT..... You make it sound like many of them wanted to stay. Mainline Airlines didn't hire everyone and in the early 90's many weren't hiring much at all. Stuck without getting a better job many fought hard to make PDT a better place. Early 90's even getting a 35% increase in pay and setting up many of the best workrules in the regional business.
Then all the sudden they have families and kids in college.... Don't make it sound like they all decided to make PDT there last stopping point. If anything they set the tone to make regionals better only to see it all fall apart again.
 

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I don't think it's all about the race to the bottom,although competition between the regionals for flying is large part of it. I think managements are trying to lower or retain their labor costs before the so called pilot shortage begins. That's why you're seeing them trying to lock in 10 year labor agreements and such. F@&# 'em, pay me!
 

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I'm curious if you're at PSA and get hired at mainline and they decide to KEEP you at PSA for 8-10 months because of staffing what is your hired date going to be?? Because in that amount of time you could see 100 pilots placed above you.
 

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Stall them. Unions should not even present low-ball ta's. Tell management to go away and come back when there's something worth negotiating about. In the meantime its seven blasts on the horn, and abandon ship if you can!

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typo? or the agreement?
"o First Officer longevity pay is capped at 4 years of service or the pilot’s actual years of service, whichever is greater."

If the agreement then no cap asi read it.
 

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I think they're alluding to a variation of a "B-scale."

i.e. F/O pay is capped at year 4, unless you're already past it. Instead of saying, if you're hired after X date, you'll never make more than $X/hr.
 

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Pilots are in the business of Threat and Error Management, which means you should always be looking for the worst case scenario.

So let's say you're a PSA FO, who just wants to get some PIC time and/or move on. Your worthless union presents you with this POS deal, and tells you there'll be new airplanes, upgrades galore, and guaranteed mainline interviews. What's not to like?

Please consider all the ways you could be screwed by the fine print. They deliver one new airframe by the deadline, then cancel the remaining orders. Or, they take delivery of all 30, and promptly send all the 200's to the desert. So no upgrades.

Then, they announce a single class of a whopping 300 people at mainline. Of these, only four will be PSA guys. Nevertheless, they line up 300 PSA pilots for interviews, and fail 296 of them. This is repeated in month 2, and now every PSA pilot has their pay frozen for the next 10 years. Amazingly, the new hire classes get cancelled anyway, but the damage is done.

What's that, you can't see airline managements colluding to exploit contract loopholes? Especially when mainline would benefit financially from screwing you over?

If this thing passes, I would be wary of flying on PSA due to an obvious display of poor Threat/Error Management skills.
 

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Why are these TAs even being "TAed"? What's wrong with the PSA MEC? Can we name some names so people know who's behind this crap?

Go ahead, pull the trigger guys-- you'll get what you deserve. Pay caps and the sound of a giant flushing toilet. Take that home to the kids and put it on the table.
 

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[FONT=&quot]Lastly, we are stunned by the lack of resistance exhibited from ALPA’s national officers, with the sole exception of Vice President of Administration and Eagle Captain Bill Couette. Our National Leadership has not led the way in this effort to “Stop the Whipsaw”.[/FONT]


Is any body really surprised?

Nooooooo, there's no conflict of interest.....

The new pattern bargaining norm?
 

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What ALPA is doing to the regional carriers is disappointing. They don't seem to realize that a huge pay gap only increases outsourcing pressure on us.
 

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Larger RJs and more or less a promised job. They'll take it. Not wise to mess with your wholly owning major. Look at comair


Laughable coming from Hulas's expert goat rimmer. Why don't you go back to licking your nuts, it's the only thing you can do well.
 

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What ALPA is doing to the regional carriers is disappointing. They don't seem to realize that a huge pay gap only increases outsourcing pressure on us.

ALPA created what the regionals are now by being too good or thinking its too costly for them to keep the jets at mainline. No one to look at other than the pilots at each major when they decided not to scope their own brand. Oh well.
 

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Maybe we should all be to the point that we don't gives a crap what anyone does anymore!! I think I'm over it.......... :) Screw it... Votes yes!!!

Hell it will be fun to see what happens!
 
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If these guys vote this pos in, there should be an informal ban on psa pilots at the majors. Don't recommend anyone from psa, blackball any applicant from psa. Then maybe then the regional industry will understand the ramifications of thier actions. If they don't look at their airline as just a stepping stone then maybe the industry might be worth half a damn.
 
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