PSA offered 900's

[Clipper_Aurora]

GO JETFO!!!, you all should see what he wrote on "PSA 900's invisible scabs" well wrote, nobody here really see's the big picture. Big boys at PSA going to turn it down, and MESA scoops it up and laughs right in our face while a avg. 35 year old FO at PSA is seat locked for the rest of his career, and while a 23 year old fresh out of MESA camp is a Captain on a fresh new 900,,,,thanks PSA, you sure showed them!

Get those F%%cking airframes on the property, fly them under those payrates for 1 year and then it's contract negotiation time, we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

OK.....I'm putting myself on the firing range here......here goes.......I VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

it Feels Soooo Goood

 

[WSurf]

And the downward spiral of the profession continues!

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

who is who?

Like the Jerry Springer show, the crowd looking on has the 'imaginary" high moral ground. Never argue with a dummy. The longer you do it, the harder and harder it gets to distinguish who is who.

 

[ex j-41]

By the way, where are they paying 21.85/hour? I'll have to send my friends there!

JetFO...

You talk like you know so much about this industry and right under your nose is all the info. PSA pilots are flying CRJ 700's for $21.85/hr. That equates to $340 a week after tax. It is discusting. How in the world can we accept poverty rates for a bigger airplane. They are insulting me and every pilot by offering us this crap. Send the airplanes to Mesa i am not interested.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Just remember kids, US Airways is now posting profits. You've all seen what the CLT terminal has looked like this last year. Packed wall to wall with paying passengers. There is absolutely no reason why a respectable -900 payrate can't be developed.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

once again PSA is going to a$$rape PDT. nice wipsaw your jerks

 

[ex j-41]

we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

What makes you think we don't have any leverage? If mesa gets the jets then Mesa gets some of the profit. US Aiways is in the business of flying people from A to B. Why get someone else to do the job for you when it is your name on the airplanes?
Nothing says that we cannot negotiate a fair wage for the airplanes. If we just sign on the bottom line it means that we did not "Negotiate" at all. They gave us a starting point and it is up to us to make it better. Just blindly signing is like being FRENCH and giving up! Your not french are you?

 

[jetfo]

GO JETFO!!!, you all should see what he wrote on "PSA 900's invisible scabs" well wrote, nobody here really see's the big picture. Big boys at PSA going to turn it down, and MESA scoops it up and laughs right in our face while a avg. 35 year old FO at PSA is seat locked for the rest of his career, and while a 23 year old fresh out of MESA camp is a Captain on a fresh new 900,,,,thanks PSA, you sure showed them!

Get those F%%cking airframes on the property, fly them under those payrates for 1 year and then it's contract negotiation time, we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

OK.....I'm putting myself on the firing range here......here goes.......I VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Clipper, but like you said, they just don't get it.

These people are idealist who want to change the world and think they can. Well, at 23 I thought I could change the world too. Now I have learned you don't change the world, you adapt to changes.

If the senior guys at PSA turn it down, it will be at their own peril. The FOs will just continue to leave in droves, as will the junior captains that can leave to greener pastures. But, like you said, PSA is not a viable company with 49 aircraft, 35 of which are uneconomical 50 seaters that everyone, including Parker, wants to get rid of.

Well see if cooler and more reasoned heads will prevail.

As far as the Piedmont guys on this thread, you guys don't even have a dog in this fight! Even if PSA declines the offer, you guys won't get them, they'll go to Mesa or GJet.

The hope for the future of Piedmont is that you guys may get Q400s in the future and get some growth.

 

[jetfo]

JetFO...

You talk like you know so much about this industry and right under your nose is all the info. PSA pilots are flying CRJ 700's for $21.85/hr. That equates to $340 a week after tax. It is discusting. How in the world can we accept poverty rates for a bigger airplane. They are insulting me and every pilot by offering us this crap. Send the airplanes to Mesa i am not interested.

Yeah, that will show them!

And, probably land you on the street, begging for a job at Mesa!

 

[jetfo]

Just remember kids, US Airways is now posting profits. You've all seen what the CLT terminal has looked like this last year. Packed wall to wall with paying passengers. There is absolutely no reason why a respectable -900 payrate can't be developed.

Just because they are filling the airplanes doesn't mean they are making a profit! As I said before, US Airways is not out of the woods just yet!

The lean fall and winter season is not far away and oil is still hovering around $72 a barrel.

Longer term, you're right, with continued profitability a respectable 900 payrate should be developed.

 

[ex j-41]

Well i would rather be on the street. Yes that is right. I have worked too hard at this career to make so little. I would rather the whole company shuts down and mesa takes the flying. I would rather be back flight instructing making the same amount of money, being home every night, eating good food, then doing this crap for $340/week. Yes having integrity may cost me my job but what value is this job if this is what it has come to?

 

[ex j-41]

Just because they are filling the airplanes doesn't mean they are making a profit! As I said before, US Airways is not out of the woods just yet!

The lean fall and winter season is not far away and oil is still hovering around $72 a barrel.

Longer term, you're right, with continued profitability a respectable 900 payrate should be developed.

If management cannot make money filling up airplanes is it our responsibility to subsidize the ticket prices with our salary's? Get real!
If they cannot make a profit paying me $340/week then they need to find another profession where they can be successful. Parker is interested in low low employee wages. That is how he will make the airline profitable. Very short term thinking. And by the way the low 900 rates would be for 3 if not 5 years till we get a rate negotiated. By then they will have Mesa lined up already to take our place. Either way we lose. Better now then 5 years from now.

 

[jetfo]

What makes you think we don't have any leverage? If mesa gets the jets then Mesa gets some of the profit. US Aiways is in the business of flying people from A to B. Why get someone else to do the job for you when it is your name on the airplanes?
Nothing says that we cannot negotiate a fair wage for the airplanes. If we just sign on the bottom line it means that we did not "Negotiate" at all. They gave us a starting point and it is up to us to make it better. Just blindly signing is like being FRENCH and giving up! Your not french are you?

No, more scandinavian actually, and I never suggested that the PSA pilot group not try to obtain the best deal they can!

Second, I don't believe we have very much "leverage," as you put it. You ask, "why get someone else to do the job when it's your name on the airplane?". Well, rightly or wrongly, isn't that what most every carrier using feeders is doing?

Look at even Frontier, they should and could have kept the CRJ700 flying in house. Instead they contracted it out to Horizon.

Things have been moving away from the wholly owned concept for years. The only carriers remaining that have wholly owned regionals are US Airways, Delta (and not much longer), Alaska and American. Both Northwest and Continental got out of the wholly owned concept and are in the process of diversifying their feed, and Delta is following suit.

The flying is going to go to the most competitive bidder, the only thing any carrier can do is to show better performance and maybe they will get a small premium for that.

I won't regurgitate what I have already written on the other PSA thread, but all you have to do to look at some recent history like ACA, Air Wisconsin, Comair, ExpressJet, TransStates, etc. Need I go on to show that there is no "leverage" in a market that has other carriers willing to do the flying for less.

Based on my research, PSA would be flying the 900s for industry average pay or slighly more under the present proposal.

Should they get more for flying a larger aircraft, sure! Are they, or any other carrier going to pay their pilots significantly more when established industry average pay for the 100 seat EMB190 is the same or only slightly more, I doubt it.

 

[jetfo]

Well i would rather be on the street. Yes that is right. I have worked too hard at this career to make so little. I would rather the whole company shuts down and mesa takes the flying. I would rather be back flight instructing making the same amount of money, being home every night, eating good food, then doing this crap for $340/week. Yes having integrity may cost me my job but what value is this job if this is what it has come to?

Well, if you would rather be on the street, do you think you should drag you other friends at PSA down along with you?

Whether first year pay at PSA of $21.85 and hour is appropriate to to fly a CRJ200/700 and possibly a 900 doesn't matter.

You have the right to work there at that rate and if you don't like it you can leave. I won't debate the unfortunate realities of the current aviation market, but there are plenty of pilots out there that can't wait to take your place if you leave.

$21.85, although pathetic, is still $2.85 more then some other carriers are paying!

By the way, as a pilot on first year pay at PSA, you are obviously on probation and don't even have a vote on the matter.