PSA ALPA vs US Airways ALPA

[KeroseneSnorter]

Re: Nice try, Kerosene Breath

My current pay for the fifty seat small jet is $97.06 per hour.

Regulation is over, chief. Not bad for a fourth contract.

Lets see your what....20k hours TT, left seat....oh, maybe your 10 to 12 years senority with Comair or so????

97.06 isn't much for that long. I was talking 2nd year.

I believe PSA is 49 bucks and some change, And to be fair MAA is not any better.

You have been working for crap so long that they have you believing that you are paid well for your efforts......Sad.

A cross section of jobs and pay:


Bus driver with 10 years for mid sized city- 65 to 90 grand
Rail Road engineers- 80 to 100 K
RR conductors- 50 to 60 k
Beverage driver (small soft drink Co. Ie Cheerwine) 35 to 55 k
Beverage driver (large co. Ie. Coke) 45 to 75 k
Plant manager (for said small beverage co.) 65 K
Warehouse worker- 6 years- 45 k
UPS drivers- 70 k is common
Window installer- 10 years in- 65 k
Postman- 35 k to start (last I heard about 6 years ago.)
Circle K manager- 36 k to start (saw a sign last week)
Wal-mart Store manager- 100 K +bonuses (in a mid size market)


With the exception of the Wal-Mart guy, all these jobs can be had by your basic High School graduate that is not a total moron. Wal_mart requires College I believe.

Your average RJ driver....Right seat new hire = Food Stamps
But it requires college and a bunch of "paying your dues" (Ok Mav, stay out of this one!!!) Plus all the BS that goes with the job.


Edit: Actually FlyComair, I owe you an apology, your 96 an hour isn't much for the job done and the time put in but so far you guys are the only RJ operators out there that has had the gonads to try and do something about it!! That was one strike assessment that I did not mind paying.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Re: KeroseneSnorter

Mesa does not have the money to buy us. Think bigger.

Your kidding right?! Who are you hoping for, Southwest?

Johnny O is licking his chops over PSA and all those spiffy new jets.

 

[Catbird]

Wrong again Snorter- No preferential hiring, the wording concerning this postulation was, Preferential interview, which is quite a difference than your statement. U did hire some W/O pilots. 90% of the women and all of U siblings hopped over to U with daddies pat on the rump. Your hiring ratio is more BS. The numbers were finalized at 30% about 2 weeks before the interview window was concluded, after roughly 1000 pilots were hired to that point.

 

[Smoking Man]

Not SWA.

J O don't got the money, ACA take over attempt, Midway purchase with all the Bankruptcy things attached, then the RJ order for United flying.

His 100 million dollar bond cash in back in Feb, was just to cover day to day expense, until he gets his monthly checks from U, America West, and United.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Wrong again Snorter- No preferential hiring, the wording concerning this postulation was, Preferential interview, which is quite a difference than your statement. U did hire some W/O pilots. 90% of the women and all of U siblings hopped over to U with daddies pat on the rump. Your hiring ratio is more BS. The numbers were finalized at 30% about 2 weeks before the interview window was concluded, after roughly 1000 pilots were hired to that point.

Well I said it was from memory......and the United merger announcment shut down hiring.

But since the effort spent by the Junior pilots to try to get the W/O's a break was not appreciated, we will not bother next time, if there is one.

Personally I expect full liquidation of all U assets and termination of employees (Including the W/o's)

Unless Lakefield can pull a rabbit out of his rear this whole argument is moot.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Not SWA.

J O don't got the money, ACA take over attempt, Midway purchase with all the Bankruptcy things attached, then the RJ order for United flying.

His 100 million dollar bond cash in back in Feb, was just to cover day to day expense, until he gets his monthly checks from U, America West, and United.

Well I am curious who you think the suitor might be? I can't really come up with a real viable buyer that would want PSA as an intact entity. Your jets, sure. But not the employees.

JBLU- Doubtful
United- 'snicker'
Independance- they already have way too many rj's
American- not
NWA- no need, they kept their DC-9's
DAL- That would be fun to see the Comair guys riot!!


Virgin would be the only real chance that you would have and that appears to be a longshot. Most likely they would prefer a carrier with a little more meat in it. ie. Airbus, Boeing. Maybe someone like Spirit would be more Virgins speed, new airbus on the way, no excess baggage from mergers and RJ''s and such.

 

[Smoking Man]

That would be a long shot, but why would he need a place with large airplanes when he has just placed an order for Airbus aircraft for his Virgin USA operation? Actually ordered 20 to 30 Airbus.

You said Virgin, not me.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

That would be a long shot, but why would he need a place with large airplanes when he has just placed an order for Airbus aircraft for his Virgin USA operation? Actually ordered 20 to 30 Airbus.

You said Virgin, not me.

Easier and cheaper to buy in bulk at a fire sale. I would expect he would be first in line to pick the U carcuss clean of 319's and 320's and their experienced and trained crews. Out of senority of course ala Pan-Am.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Hmmm, Just saw a story on the news about Mesa opening a hub in PIT.

 

[Catbird]

Snorters-"But since the effort spent by the Junior pilots to try to get the W/O's a break was not appreciated, we will not bother next time, if there is one."

You are in need of full counseling Snorter. Your understanding of the U pilots attempt at benevolence is classic ALPA babble. The only break anyone will see in this ALPA/U designed abortion is the breaking off of the steel rod in the collective pampered rump of the superior class pilots at AAA. When the rod is inserted every pilot in this country should be using a sledge hammer to drive the point home.

"get the W/O's a break"

Snorter please set the crack pipe down and take the crown off your swollen head. Counseling is available, please use it.

 

[Sky_Goddess]

I think MESA does have the money to buy USAir.......heck soon they will own the world.....we better get used to their subpar contracts and all....we will all be MESA

 

[eddie]

I'm sure I'm way behind on this subject, but could someone sum up the J4J at PSA.

I just heard of a pilot I knew who had a '99 seniority # at Mainline now flying Captain at PSA. Will current PSA guys upgrade above these "street Captains", or do they get to slide into the middle with their seniority leaving senior PSA FOs screwed? Also with these folks coming in are there upgrades to be had at all?

I can guess this has been hashed to death, just a quick and dirty answer will do.

Thanks.

 

[skeezer]

As it stands, when "PSA" FO's upgrade we will be senior to the J4J types. The mainline MEC wants to change this around but the chances of that are slim. We just turned down a TA on pay rates and work rule changes by a pretty good margin and most people weren't hardcore against it. However when it comes to giving the J4J guys any seniority for bidding a very large portion of us are willing to shut this place down to keep it from happening. The Mainline MEC needs to play nice or the jets, and those jobs go somewhere they probably don't want to work.

I can't say if any FOs who are starting now will upgrade in the near future. Apparently they are very close to running out of furloughed guys and gals to fill captain slots so that should mean more upgrades for those who have been here a while. I think that if you were hired now you would move up the FO list pretty quick, but any upgrade will come from attrition (sp?) only.

Skeezer