Possible DL hiring in 2014?

[General Lee]

From the Council 1 meeting this month:

"Hiring: We anticipate a nominal amount of hiring in 2014; currently estimating 60 per month January-June, then 20 per month."



So, if the above is true (?), there would be 360 newhires from Jan-Jun, and then 120 from JUL-DEC, for a possible total of 480 in 2014. Some may ask why not start sooner? I think the training dept will be slammed with outgoing DC9 pilots transitioning to other planes, initial 717 crews will be trained, and many people in between are moving from plane to plane. So, IMO, the sims will be full this year. Throw in a possible used widebodies coming (rumor) which will cause more internal training, and things will be busy for awhile. Then throw in tons of retirements over the next 3-5 years.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

It's better than nothing.

 

[johnsonrod]

Sign me up!

 

[ASA_DFW]

You can expect interviews in the fall for positions in the first quarter of 2014. Many of these positions will be filled by flow-ups.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Whenever it does start I'd expect more like 60+/month Jan-May and Sept-Dec with 0-20 Jun-Aug.

 

[Ridgeback]

ah yes...another unicorn sighting

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey Genny,
Will you walk my resume in?
On second thought, I will have a bowl of broken glass for breakfast......

 

[General Lee]

Hey Genny,
Will you walk my resume in?
On second thought, I will have a bowl of broken glass for breakfast......

"Uncle Stan" will never let you commute to ATL from Twin Falls, never!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Otto77]

Any chance for an average mil heavy dude with plenty of letters of rec getting a shot or will this end up being mostly flow throughs and whatever deal Pinnacle gets?

 

[hockeypilot44]

Nice. Finally, the 1000 that retired will be replaced by 400.

 

[nwaf16dude]

Any chance for an average mil heavy dude with plenty of letters of rec getting a shot or will this end up being mostly flow throughs and whatever deal Pinnacle gets?

In a word, yes. Pinnacle guys only get a guaranteed interview, no guarantee of a job. I don't have the exact numbers, but there are restrictions on the flow rate out of compass and mesaba, so they can't fill the new hire classes. I'd expect that out of a full year of hiring, at least half will be off the street. The first couple of months will be heavy with flows and voluntary furlough returns, but after that you'll see lots of true new hires.

 

[HalinTexas]

Does DAL still have a "once-in-a-lifetime" interview policy? I interviewed back in '98.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

DAL has not changed any policies yet. Wait for active interviewing to occur to see if any policy changes.

Most will be furlough-bypass and flows from 9E and CPS. After that you will see off the street combined with the flows.

 

[LearLove]

When did furlough/bypass guys coming back become data lumped in with new hires?

 

[SplitBar]

I think the flow #'s are 20 CZ and 9 XJ per class and CZ is limited to 100 flows a year. If we hire as posted here, CZ would be maxed out after 5 classes. More than 1/2 will be off the street if we hire as advertised. I just finished up 5 weeks in ATL fo 7ER class and there were no talks or rumors or hiring. I hope this is true!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When did furlough/bypass guys coming back become data lumped in with new hires?

We have to be having new hire classes for the bypass pilots to return. Its in the PWA.

 

[Explosive]

We have to be having new hire classes for the bypass pilots to return. Its in the PWA.

There is no requirement for the company to be hiring in order to recall pilots who have bypassed furlough.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yes there is Explosive....

 

[nwaf16dude]

There is no requirement for the company to be hiring in order to recall pilots who have bypassed furlough.

Military leave guys can return whenever they are ready, but voluntary furlough guys can only come back when we are hiring.

 

[Schwanker]

But the "new hire" classes could be full with bypass returns, leaving little room for new hires.

 

[Explosive]

21.C.7.B.1

A furloughed pilot may only return to duty in conjunction with a subsequent recall OR new hire class.

I.e., The company can recall pilots, but they may not return unless the company initiates the process. There is no requirement for even one new hire.

 

[248to2.8]

Compass can only flow 25% of its seniority list every calender year. Right now that would be around 110 or so. But Compass also has the right to hold back the pilots with flow back for 90 days. Rumor is DAL will just send out their flow letters 90 days early this time since last time we flowed it screwed up their training plans. Guess we'll see.

 

[sniper]

Compass can only flow 25% of its seniority list every calender year. Right now that would be around 110 or so. But Compass also has the right to hold back the pilots with flow back for 90 days. Rumor is DAL will just send out their flow letters 90 days early this time since last time we flowed it screwed up their training plans. Guess we'll see.

25 percent of its captains annually and that is 50 Per year or around that I thought
They have 200 captains total

Correct?

 

[xjhawk]

no, he said 25% of the seniority list. There was no mention of it only being captains

 

[SplitBar]

no, he said 25% of the seniority list. There was no mention of it only being captains

Don't you have to be a Capt to flow? I thought the requirement was a min of 30somethings months of service and must be a Captain? Can't recall for sure.

 

[DYLIN]

Don't you have to be a Capt to flow? I thought the requirement was a min of 30somethings months of service and must be a Captain? Can't recall for sure.

It doesn't really matter because all of the flow eligible pilots can hold captain.

But yes, you are correct.

And to someone typing something above about 25%, it's of the total seniority list, not total captains. So 25% of ~450.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

21.C.7.B.1

A furloughed pilot may only return to duty in conjunction with a subsequent recall OR new hire class.

I.e., The company can recall pilots, but they may not return unless the company initiates the process. There is no requirement for even one new hire.

Furlough and Furlough Bypass are different are they not? No one is on furlough that has not been offered recall. All are on furlough bypass.

Ref PWA 21 C.7
A pilot who has bypassed recall will be subject to the following:
a. he will be ineligible to receive furlough pay,
b. he may only return to duty:
1) in conjunction with a subsequent recall or new hire class, and
2) if he has notified the Company in writing of his desire to accept recall at least 30
days in advance of the class date on which he wishes to return.
Note one: The Company is not required to recall pilots in numbers greater than it deems necessary in a new-hire or recall class.
Note two: If there are more pilots who have bypassed recall that seek to return to duty than the Company has determined is required, such pilots will be returned to duty, in seniority order and prior to any new hire, in conjunction with Company scheduled new hire or recall classes,
and
c. his employment will be terminated if he does not return to duty within ten years from his date of furlough.

We have not pilots on furlough so we will not have "recall" classes, only new hire classes.

 

[Monster Buck]

It doesn't really matter because all of the flow eligible pilots can hold captain.

But yes, you are correct.

And to someone typing something above about 25%, it's of the total seniority list, not total captains. So 25% of ~450.

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

 

[248to2.8]

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

It said you had to have been with the company for 2 years or 18 months (I can't remember now), and be a Captain to be eligible to flow.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

If it was they'd still flow 100-110.