Polar Air Cargo, 30 days out from possible strike.

[KeroseneSnorter]

Are the Atlas/Polar MEC`s talking to each other? Was the "interim" offer from managment proposed to or voted on by the membership or was there a standing order to reject it if it did not meet certain and all criteria? Firing 50 type rated (50 x $$$$$$$) pilots seems extreme to me, very sad!

Press release says that the MEC was going to agree to release the last proposal to the membership for a vote (10.5 % increase in pay, which is still roughly 20% less than the Atlas current contract). Their only stipulation was that there was a clause to prevent any aircraft being transferred to Atlas prior to the merger and that they would not recommend one way or another as how the pilots should vote.

The company would not agree to these items and they fired the pilots the next day.

Seems odd for the company to do that, it really serves no purpose except to throw gas on the situation and throw away pilots that they spent large sums of money on type rating. The guys fired have no vote on the T/A anyhow, and all they have done is made enemies of all their newhires.

If it is a scare tactic to maybe try to get the remaining newhires to cross the picket line in the case of a strike, that is counterproductive also, probably 90% of the newbies are guys that got furloughed or screwed out of retirements at their previous airlines and have absolutly no love for draconian managment tactics anyhow, not to mention mass firings prior to any type of job action.

Seems to me to be a case of managment blowing off their nad sack just to spite the girl that wouldn't dance with them at the club!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Man this sucks. Classic whipsaw. If management is capable of treating their pilots like this ....

 

[treetopflyer]

Man this sucks. Classic whipsaw. If management is capable of treating their pilots like this ....

whats that supposed to mean?

besides, you senior guys at INDY were real quick to vote for pay cuts on the RJ to finance your new bigger paychecks on the BUS. you should be used to the whipsaw.

 

[GogglesPisano]

whats that supposed to mean?

besides, you senior guys at INDY were real quick to vote for pay cuts on the RJ to finance your new bigger paychecks on the BUS. you should be used to the whipsaw.

It means that the management at Polar is setting a new low by pre-emptively firing probationary pilots before there is even a strike. As far as Indy goes, what exactly does it have to do with the price of tea in China?

Are you defending Polar management?

PS: I'm not senior and will probably be on the street soon.

 

[HAL]

Is it true that the fired Polar people are being offered jobs at Atlas?

What is the latest?

I have a friend who was furloughed from Hawaiian, went to ATA, was furloughed, went to Polar, finished IOE last month, and now is apparently fired.

HAL

 

[Neednewcareer]

Yes, they are offerring jobs at Atlas. They are trying to break down Polar to acept a crappy contract. Management is playing with peoples lives. There pockets get fat and pilots get fired. There is no reason to take aircraft away from Polar. The planes are full of freight. If they are not making money then it is a management problem not a pilot problem.

 

[Reebo]

Yes, they are offerring jobs at Atlas.

I wonder if any Polar pilots are actually considering it.

 

[Craven Morhead]

Yes, they are offerring jobs at Atlas. They are trying to break down Polar to acept a crappy contract. Management is playing with peoples lives. There pockets get fat and pilots get fired. There is no reason to take aircraft away from Polar. The planes are full of freight. If they are not making money then it is a management problem not a pilot problem.

Get your facts straight. The freight is only going eastbound. Also, if it wasnt for the military routes, Polar would be paying to position an empty 747 to Hkg.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Atlas Aircraft

Its amazing how the critics here have failed to point to out the contract fact that No Polar pilot can be furloughed as long as there is an Atlas pilot flying Polar planes on Polar routes.

Stay United Polar!!!!!

Whale,
You are correct in your statement, but, the planes coming back to Atlas (496MC and 355MC) are Atlas aircraft (not Polar) and the company just brought them back to the Atlas side from dry lease to Polar. They have already terminated a bunch of -400 guys and now classic guys are next, I'm not gloating so don't get bent out of shape, I'm just clarifying some of your facts about certain Polar aircraft!

We went through these same tactics 3 years ago, and you know what materialized. Good luck to all Polar folks.

 

[heilhaavir]

Thks B747, we'll get through it, and if we have to walk so be it. JC is not destroying anybody's morale, on the contrary he is building aditional hate with the terminations. And unfortunately he played with 50+ lives. We will fight for them to come back.

United we are indeed wether some like it or not.

Cheers!

(BTW Reebo, to answer your question, there is NO offer on the table, just propaganda and misinformation, don't believe a word from JC)