Polar Air Cargo, 30 days out from possible strike.

[B747-300]

"Btw, not one Atlas pilot has crossed a Polar picket line!!"

Absolutely true. We have had alternate entrances established and we report for work at the standard time by avoiding the picket lines.

 

[furloughfodder]

Craven,

I am not trying to make the Atlas group look bad, I have stated over and over again that the vast majority of Atlas guys are behind Polar. I am just saying that -300's comments are making the whole group look bad because he is so Anti-Polar. It is sad to see any pilot come out and talk so bad about a group of pilots that are out on strike, and not pledge them any support. Much less a pilot that works for the same holding company.

But alas, pilots will be pilots. What is best for ME is best for ME seems to be the motto (along with "WE WON'T CROSS PICKET LINES...WE WILL GO AROUND THEM!") Maybe you can get yourself a bag tag in Itaewon that says that on it -300.

BTW - I am the only one that finds it a little suspicious that -300 only has 22 posts on this message board, and all but two are on this thread?

Hello Cato.

 

[B747-300]

Since we're making assumptions about posters, I guess it's fair to assume that a guy/girl who makes several hundred posts in a wide variety of topics is certainly someone who thinks their opinion is so valuable that they must inject it everywhere possible. You don't work for Polar or Atlas. You're just some know-it-all who can't refrain from butting into a conversation.

 

[CRJ's suck]

Question

Ok, I know Atlas Air Worldwide Inc. owns Polar Air Cargo Inc. and Atlas Air Inc.

Aren't Atlas Air and Polar operated under seperate certificates? Doesn't this mean that they are two "separate" companies just wholly owned by a holding company?

What's the problem with Atlas crews flying Atlas planes and Atlas Cargo????

I just don't get what beef the polar crews have with the atlas crews. If someone can enlighten me it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Craven Morhead]

"I just don't get what beef the polar crews have with the atlas crews. If someone can enlighten me it would be greatly appreciated."


Alot of us would appreciate this one!!

 

[FearlessFreep]

Does anyone have any noteworthy news?

Will the company be open for negotiations soon?

Will they lock out the pilots?

Will they attempt to hire replacement workers? (No scab flames on this just trying to see what is going on)

Will they liquidate and consolidate the remnants with Atlas?

If the latter is the case would Polar pilots have an opportunity for employment with Atlas?

What is going on NOW?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Good Luck To Us All!

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Ok, I know Atlas Air Worldwide Inc. owns Polar Air Cargo Inc. and Atlas Air Inc.

Aren't Atlas Air and Polar operated under seperate certificates? Doesn't this mean that they are two "separate" companies just wholly owned by a holding company?

What's the problem with Atlas crews flying Atlas planes and Atlas Cargo????

I just don't get what beef the polar crews have with the atlas crews. If someone can enlighten me it would be greatly appreciated.

CRJ,
I don't know what the problem is between our two groups, there is just a lot of distrust on both sides, and management feeds off it. I don't have a problem with the Polar guys, I have a few friends that fly for them and one of them just called recently asking about the possibility of coming towork at Atlas. I wished that we could have merged and put all this behind us, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen now.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

"I just don't get what beef the polar crews have with the atlas crews. If someone can enlighten me it would be greatly appreciated."


Alot of us would appreciate this one!!

I don't know what the problem is also, if someone can answer this please let us all know!!!!!!

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Does anyone have any noteworthy news?

Will the company be open for negotiations soon?

Will they lock out the pilots?

Will they attempt to hire replacement workers? (No scab flames on this just trying to see what is going on)

Will they liquidate and consolidate the remnants with Atlas?

If the latter is the case would Polar pilots have an opportunity for employment with Atlas?

What is going on NOW?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Good Luck To Us All!

Fearless Freep,

The negotiations have ended, but the company's offer is still on the table. I guess the lockout will remain in effect for the duration of their strike. There has been no new hires at Polar, but we're hiring like crazy at Atlas. It looks like the company has put a deadline out there (September 30, 2005) and it sounds like the demise of Polar is rapidly approaching. The Polar pilots have the opportunity to come to Atlas as New Hires.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Boeing Pilots

747-300,

I don't know who you are, but let's stop all the name calling here!



And those Polar guys who think we are flying their aircraft, the -400's that have been moved recently were operated by Boeing company contractor pilots.

 

[Whale Rider]

I don't know what the problem is also, if someone can answer this please let us all know!!!!!!

No problem check the VARS.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

No problem check the VARS.

I can't believe it!

Atlas pilots flying Atlas freight (Giant callsign), and Atlas instructors training Atlas pilots. Two separate companies, owned by the same parent company, I wonder if Delta pilots did the same when Comair went on strike in 2001, or why haven't the NWA pilots done the same for the striking mechanics?????

I don't understand ALPA!

 

[B747-300]

It looks like the planes will be rerouted through Fairbanks to avoid the ANC problems completely. Not sure what affect MIA will have short-term.

The 30th is the day. Nearly 100 more crewmembers will be furloughed if Polar crews don't accept what's on the table by then. I think this will continue until there is no longer a Polar Air Cargo.

 

[heilhaavir]

Good posts B747fr8, and don't worry we know boeing crews repositioned some airplanes. Might have been a doubt at first for some and as you know it always takes a little for everybody to be informed, but everybody on this side should be up to date by now.

-300 you still make us smile, keep it up. Fairbanks was already thought of last night, no surprise

You really think that guys on strike feel threatened by furlough??

 

[Whale Rider]

Looks like Fairbanks just got a picketline set up......check the VARS!

 

[furloughfodder]

Fairanks is not a viable solution to closing down ANC Mr. Cato. In answer to your question about MIA, can you imagine the effect closing down the training center will have? No more recurrent=pilots sitting at home. It will just start adding up. Also, I am sure all the Polar guys that are out on strike are pretty upset about their furlough.

I think this a great news, and I am glad to see you guys are all 100% behind Polar now! Just think about this: when this gets resolved...

I think you can rest assured when your contract comes up in Janurary, you will have the Polar Pilots 100% backing you, and we all know how much cajones they have. You guys will have so much power going into negotiations because you are now so unified!

Congratulations! You guys at Atlas and Polar ROCK!

 

[B747-300]

"You really think that guys on strike feel threatened by furlough??"

Only the ones smart enough to know their job will be gone forever. You guys had furlough protection in your contract, but I guess that went out the window when you went on strike.

I hope you've got enough people to cover all the possible entry points onto the ramps at FAI and ANC. When faced with "Fly the flight or be disciplined", I don't think too many Atlas guys are going to stick their necks out for the likes of you.

We will never be identified as scabs for flying Atlas planes full of Atlas cargo while Polar is on strike. Sorry. Two separate companies. You have the right to do what you're doing, but I have the right to work and feed my family too.

 

[Whale Rider]

"You really think that guys on strike feel threatened by furlough??"

Only the ones smart enough to know their job will be gone forever. You guys had furlough protection in your contract, but I guess that went out the window when you went on strike.

I hope you've got enough people to cover all the possible entry points onto the ramps at FAI and ANC. When faced with "Fly the flight or be disciplined", I don't think too many Atlas guys are going to stick their necks out for the likes of you.

We will never be identified as scabs for flying Atlas planes full of Atlas cargo while Polar is on strike. Sorry. Two separate companies. You have the right to do what you're doing, but I have the right to work and feed my family too.

They can't put every Atlas Pilot on "Administrative Leave", that'll just work to Polar/Atlas' advantage.

 

[furloughfodder]

B747-300 (Mr. Cato) -

Please listen to your new 9-24-05 VARS this morning. ANC and now Fairbanks are considered STRUCK AIRPORTS now. ANC is completely shut down, and your MEC is reporting NO ATLAS PILOTS have crossed a picket line. (I don't blame them, even in the VARS Mr. Bourne mentions that crossing at this point, or even setting foot on the airport property would brand you a "S" word for life.)

Also, as of now, Fairbanks is being considered a STRUCK AIRPORT, and I am hearing reports it is completely shut down as well. You need to listen to the VARS, it explains why this is so important.

This is the solidarity that ALPA has needed for the last 10 years. There is a chance ALPA can become a real union again after this.

 

[waazzuuuup!!]

Looks Like B747-300 Will Be The Only One Showing Up To Work.

We Will Soon Find Out Who You Are..................................