PNCL: Class personified!! wow., just wow

[RJLoser]

Hey man, don't preach to me. I have been shouting for fair integration from day one unlike the secret majority at Pinnacle who seeks to destroy me and my colleagues. I am just holding up the mirror to the 9E MEC nonsense. I know I will most likely lose a few numbers, but if it were your way I would lose much more than that. This will be a good place to work for you soon, no thanks to any of your leadership. You know it and so do I.

Seven, you have no idea how I feel about my leadership. I'm looking past that to working with you and the colgan guys. I have come across some great people at XJ and 9L. I can see the change since the letter was released. Not a single XJ pilot made eye contact with me this whole trip. The ruling went to arbitration..... there was ZERO point in releasing the letter. FAIR OR NOT. If PCL did not have their stance this may have not gone to arbitration. That is why things go to arbitration. If you think I want to put a senior CA looking out for his family behind an FO you just don't get it. I too will lose numbers.

 

[SEVEN]

Seven, you have no idea how I feel about my leadership. I'm looking past that to working with you and the colgan guys. I have come across some great people at XJ and 9L. I can see the change since the letter was released. Not a single XJ pilot made eye contact with me this whole trip. The ruling went to arbitration..... there was ZERO point in releasing the letter. FAIR OR NOT. If PCL did not have their stance this may have not gone to arbitration. That is why things go to arbitration. If you think I want to put a senior CA looking out for his family behind an FO you just don't get it. I too will lose numbers.

Great. I'm glad we can at least agree on one thing. SLI get-together at Captain Murphs this weekend! I'll bring the ribs.

 

[RJLoser]

Great. I'm glad we can at least agree on one thing. SLI get-together at Captain Murphs this weekend! I'll bring the ribs.

Sounds good man.

 

[CptMurf]

Unfortunately, I have to work this weekend. But tell my wife and kids that I said "Hi!"

 

[xjhawk]

Okay-why would xj pilots not make eye contact with you? Because you poor pilots at 9E will "lose" end up getting a higher seniority number? Oh give me a break-its simple math to know you will end up with a lower number when the total number of pilots on the new list is a lot higher. There is not one pilot at Xj that would lower their eyes and not make eye contact over your MEC's idiotic letter. Oh and not one 9E Captain, especially a senior captain will end up behind a Jr FO from any of the three lists. The only instance a FO might end up senior to a captain is if one of the very senior FO's at 9E of XJ end up more senior to a "senior" Colgan pilot. There will (might) be an instance where a jr colgan captain would end up Jr to one of ours and yours 4 year FO's. I believe the wording in the ALPA's merger policy is fair and equitable and no windfall. I should think getting a 25-30% pay raise, better work rules, and the opportunity to bid into a higher paying jet would be enough benefit from this merger. But apparently everyone there wants to make a grab at getting double or triple their bidding power in seniority. I sure hope the arbitrator does not think a ten year colgan guy is equal in seniority as a 20 year 9E or XJ pilot. or for that matter-a 2 year colgan new upgrade captain is equal to a 8-10 year Mesaba guy. But it is all in the arbitrator's hands and I just hope his logic benefits "most" of the pilots in all three groups. I might point out that DOH is that logic-that benefits most pilots. I say this knowing that it benefits more 9E pilots than Xj pilots, and more XJ pilots than colgan pilots. it is rather interesting that 9E did not propose DOH integration and instead went the greedy route and wanted something along the lines of a republic merger. I too await my fate on this decision.

 

[SEVEN]

Unfortunately, I have to work this weekend. But tell my wife and kids that I said "Hi!"

Call in sick.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

I hope I do not lose anything and come out better after this. This is everyone's sediment. This is what everyone is fighting for. This is the goal. Always has been always will be.

Sediment is what you find in the bottom of a fish bowl...I think you mean, "sentiment"...there's a grammar thread over at the Mesaba board you should read...(by the way, before you write me an ugly reply...this is a J-O-A-K...I'm "funnin'" with you).

PS...I know that I spelled, "joke" "joak"...that's the "joke"....

But seriously, read the thread...

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Oh, sediment! I'm way too late! I should've read the whole thread before replying...

 

[xjgearbtch]

Seven, you have no idea how I feel about my leadership. I'm looking past that to working with you and the colgan guys. I have come across some great people at XJ and 9L. I can see the change since the letter was released. Not a single XJ pilot made eye contact with me this whole trip. The ruling went to arbitration..... there was ZERO point in releasing the letter. FAIR OR NOT. If PCL did not have their stance this may have not gone to arbitration. That is why things go to arbitration. If you think I want to put a senior CA looking out for his family behind an FO you just don't get it. I too will lose numbers.

Your Mec requested to put many senior CA's behind FO's, that speaks volumes. You talk about zero point in releasing the letter. I'm glad 9L released that letter, I wish XJ had as well. It only further shows how 9E's union is filled with back scene fighting, little cohesion with the XJ, & 9L's negotiating teams, pure selfishness. I remember a few months back we were all supposed to stand together and the Pinnacle union told their boys to walk the picket line against the wishes of the other two unions. 9E is in it for themselves and couldn't give a ******************** about the true goal of a strong unified and merged pilot group. There was potential to make this great, they chose greed. If a Mesaba guy doesn't kiss your ass when you walk by, tough luck. You got our contract, our planes, and maybe soon our seats. Your union is a bunch of parasites. The only saving grace is once we're merge these yahoos will be voted out by the majority.

 

[SEVEN]

Your Mec requested to put many senior CA's behind FO's, that speaks volumes. You talk about zero point in releasing the letter. I'm glad 9L released that letter, I wish XJ had as well. It only further shows how 9E's union is filled with back scene fighting, little cohesion with the XJ, & 9L's negotiating teams, pure selfishness. I remember a few months back we were all supposed to stand together and the Pinnacle union told their boys to walk the picket line against the wishes of the other two unions. 9E is in it for themselves and couldn't give a ******************** about the true goal of a strong unified and merged pilot group. There was potential to make this great, they chose greed. If a Mesaba guy doesn't kiss your ass when you walk by, tough luck. You got our contract, our planes, and maybe soon our seats. Your union is a bunch of parasites. The only saving grace is once we're merge these yahoos will be voted out by the majority.

Very well said. Everything is absolute truth. And they will be voted out very, very soon.

 

[Inconceivable]

Your Mec requested to put many senior CA's behind FO's, that speaks volumes. You talk about zero point in releasing the letter. I'm glad 9L released that letter, I wish XJ had as well. It only further shows how 9E's union is filled with back scene fighting, little cohesion with the XJ, & 9L's negotiating teams, pure selfishness. I remember a few months back we were all supposed to stand together and the Pinnacle union told their boys to walk the picket line against the wishes of the other two unions. 9E is in it for themselves and couldn't give a ******************** about the true goal of a strong unified and merged pilot group. There was potential to make this great, they chose greed. If a Mesaba guy doesn't kiss your ass when you walk by, tough luck. You got our contract, our planes, and maybe soon our seats. Your union is a bunch of parasites. The only saving grace is once we're merge these yahoos will be voted out by the majority.

You clearly do not understand what *interest* arbitration is about. Each group represents *their* interest. Not the happy, hippy-dippy, take one for the team collective position - their position.

As for your "revolution" you should keep in mind the math of the LECs in question:

A combined DTW/JFK LEC is overwhelmingly 9E
A combined MEM LEC is overwhelmingly 9E
A combined MSP LEC for XJ is offset by the 9E ATL LEC
The Colgan LEC may or may not side with XJ politically

So this leaves you with 3-2 in favor of 9E dominant LECs. And that's who votes in the MEC.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Inconceivable...you keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means...

 

[RJLoser]

Your Mec requested to put many senior CA's behind FO's, that speaks volumes. You talk about zero point in releasing the letter. I'm glad 9L released that letter, I wish XJ had as well. It only further shows how 9E's union is filled with back scene fighting, little cohesion with the XJ, & 9L's negotiating teams, pure selfishness. I remember a few months back we were all supposed to stand together and the Pinnacle union told their boys to walk the picket line against the wishes of the other two unions. 9E is in it for themselves and couldn't give a ******************** about the true goal of a strong unified and merged pilot group. There was potential to make this great, they chose greed. If a Mesaba guy doesn't kiss your ass when you walk by, tough luck. You got our contract, our planes, and maybe soon our seats. Your union is a bunch of parasites. The only saving grace is once we're merge these yahoos will be voted out by the majority.

You quoted my statement and responded with this. You have serious comprehension issues.

 

[SEVEN]

The 9E pilots will vote out their MEC leadership after they see the list.

 

[xjgearbtch]

You clearly do not understand what *interest* arbitration is about. Each group represents *their* interest. Not the happy, hippy-dippy, take one for the team collective position - their position.

As for your "revolution" you should keep in mind the math of the LECs in question:

A combined DTW/JFK LEC is overwhelmingly 9E
A combined MEM LEC is overwhelmingly 9E
A combined MSP LEC for XJ is offset by the 9E ATL LEC
The Colgan LEC may or may not side with XJ politically

So this leaves you with 3-2 in favor of 9E dominant LECs. And that's who votes in the MEC.

Interests covers a wide spectrum. What your union proposed to the arbitrator is plain greed. They in effect asked to staple the other two pilot groups below them. People get on here and act like we shouldn't be offended. KMA!

I'll vote to lose them, if you vote to keep them that's your choice. Colgan LEC is very much in line and connected with ours. Like I said, you're all a bunch of parasites.