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No he gave weight to the 900s being the "premium" airplane. And since most 900s are coming from Mesaba, most senior slots went to Mesaba. Look down a bit and see where he considered the 200 and q4 the same so if you didn't make that initial cut at Mesaba you fell a LONG way down to be lumped into the Saab group.
 
Had my say, moving on. Look forward to flying with all of you guys. Always have enjoyed chatting with the Mesaba crews on the bus. Sure the Colgan crews are just fine too. See ya on the line!
 
Flyer1015 said:
I have zero faith in PCL leaders. I just hope everyone can move on from this list, get their movement on the seniority list, upgrade, move to different bases, etc. And then when elections come, I can't wait to vote out current Pinnacle leaders. Starting with CS. Sign me up as a 9Eer who wants new leadership.
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I second sending the PCL leadership packing. Even though I moved up 9% they have let me down for several years. Good luck to all.
 
I'll drive the bus that takes the current leadership away. Also I enjoy watching the Memphis flying club complain that they lost some seniority. Karma! Now instead of hearing y'all or "fixin" we will hear "eh?" and "you betcha"
 
SEVEN said:
I lost 1.8%. Around the 45th percentile. I should have went to Colgan. Who would have thought.
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As bad as it may sound, you would have done better by getting hired at Mesaba when you did, quit after 1-2 years, and then starting at Colgan. LOL
 
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Anyway, lets get to the meat of the matter. How do we dispute this and decertify ALPA? Can any US Air Easties chime in and help us out? :)
 
DOH within each category would have been much more palatable. At least I could have gotten SOME credit for the time I have put in here.
 
I, for one, am actually pretty satisfied with the results. I think Bloch did a pretty good job of being fair. Some did better then others, sure. But it's a hellofalot better then plenty of other arbitrators decisions. I'm looking forward to reading the transcripts of the negotiations. That ought to be interesting.
 
Flyer1015 said:
But! But! You guys brought the shiny contract! Still can't believe Bloch swallowed that like a Gold-crutsed cupcake. Well, kudos to your merger committee for convincing him so. That is the main reason the ratios all start first with a Mesaba pilot. I have zero faith in PCL leaders. I just hope everyone can move on from this list, get their movement on the seniority list, upgrade, move to different bases, etc. And then when elections come, I can't wait to vote out current Pinnacle leaders. Starting with CS. Sign me up as a 9Eer who wants new leadership.
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Hmmmm, I see my work rules, my pay rate, and my seniority (if you are a captain) aren’t enough. Let me check my list of things I can offer you to supplement…
How about my Delta flow spot? Oh wait, I forgot to take that off the list.
How about my house? Noooo, you don’t want that. It’s waaay underwater due to the Mesaba screwing of five years ago. (at least we secured our core 49 Saab fleet :p)
I know. How about I non-rev with my dog over to your place and I will pay you to kick my dog? Oh, nope, that won’t work because I lost my good travel bennies.
Ahhhh, this will work…my first born son. He will be popping out in about a month and a half if you can wait that long. He’s got a bum kidney, but don’t worry…I will pay the medical bills for you.
 
Colganite weighing in...

I think the SLI could have taken a number of different routes, as all were laid out by Bloch in the decision document. Obviously, some had more merit than others. I think the SLI that Bloch determined was fair. Lots of elements to take into account (Mesaba being the most senior group and highest earners, plus the best elements of a CBA that brought windfall to the 3 groups, especially at Colgan; PNCL with the largest pilot group and largest fleet but wide range of seniority and low wages compared to the industry; Colgan with relatively 'new' pilot group that soley flew turboprops but had a growing fleet despite no CBA and low wages). Colgan had the most to gain.

Do I think the most senior Colgan pilots should have had relative seniority right off the bat and go fly a CRJ-900? No, that's not very reasonable when you look at career expectations pre-merger. That wouldn't be fair whatsoever to the very senior groups at MSBA and PNCL that already fly that a/c and had the expectation to keep doing so and earning what they earn. I think the middle-to-pretty senior Colgan CAs made out the best (myself included; I did lose about 12% relative seniority). "Status and Category" seemed to be the predominant theme. A PNCL friend that was hired around the same time I was is about 200 #s junior to me (I don't understand this). He's a CRJ-200 Captain. Perhaps the best element of the SLI is the 5-year fences and the staffing stipulation #s that will be adhered to going forward, protecting the current flying.

I think the vast number of CJC pilots would agree that QOL, pay, benefits, protections, etc., these days are light years better now than a few years ago. Our career expectations pre-merger were different than the MSBA and PNCL groups. I think things have worked out favorably through the JCBA and SLI for a pilot of my seniority at CJC.

...My .02.
 
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A Delta pilot has begun a thread in the Majors section flaming and comparing this arbitration to the SWA/AT merger- I could try to get myself up to speed on your situation, but I doubt I could be as familiar as any of you.

You all are formally invited.
:)
I honestly would like to hear your perspectives- is it a good comparison? Apples to apples? Apples to oranges? Apples to hub caps? He's a serial flamer with a hard on for swa, but does the OP make any good points?
Please visit the thread and let us know what's up
~Wave
ex turboprop/RJ driver,
 
All right, now that we have swallowed that pill… Let’s look to the next challenge of voting in a single MEC. It seems MSA’s MEC as done then best job. I’m thinking we keep them.
 
DoinTime said:
You owe me a new keyboard.....I just spit up all over mine.
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I say we make a list of mis-steps and accomplishments. I will make the list of mis-steps of Pinnacle and the accomplishments of XJ. You do the list of mis-steps of XJ and the accomplishments of Pinnacle.

Then we just compare lists out in the open forum and let the masses decide.
 

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