Pinnacolaba list.

[WIPilot]

You owe me a new keyboard.....I just spit up all over mine.

dont forget the bib

 

[xjhawk]

I went from 44 to 34%. I consider myself lucky

I did pretty much the complete opposite-I consider myself completely hosed.

I was 392 at mesaba and before this list even if the saabs left, as long as their was Delta flows to the agreed name (RL#234) I would remain a jet captain and most likely in MSP. But somehow now every single 9E captain is senior to me and all the colgan Q captains are senior to me. I have 8 years at mesaba and what did that get me? I am now JUNIOR to 5/6 year pinnacle guys and 3/4 year colgan guys. I heard this can be appealed-this is freaking ridiculous. god I hope that Continental/United start hiring......f this list

 

[xjhawk]

All right, now that we have swallowed that pill… Let’s look to the next challenge of voting in a single MEC. It seems MSA’s MEC as done then best job. I’m thinking we keep them.

You must be a Pinnacle guy or a Colgan captain who was able to do a seniority grab....... I will not be voting for anyone currently holding a union position-instead I will be concentrating on my resume

 

[xjhawk]

As bad as it may sound, you would have done better by getting hired at Mesaba when you did, quit after 1-2 years, and then starting at Colgan. LOL

yeah very funny, and it is not 1-2 years, it is 4-5 years. This needs to be appealed. I have 8 years at mesaba and it means nothing. I do laugh when I see your guys saying mesaba union guys should stick around because pinnacle faired so well in seniority

 

[CptMurf]

You must be a Pinnacle guy or a Colgan captain who was able to do a seniority grab....... I will not be voting for anyone currently holding a union position-instead I will be concentrating on my resume

Not trying to rub salt in your wounds, but how did the union fail you in this? They proposed and fought for DOH. Status/Category seems to be the arbitrated norm though. Unfortunately, it looks like you fell into group II which was dominated by 9E/9L 200/Q CAs.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

I bet u won't find to many XJ pilots that fell into the first category bi##@ING. They got like 4:1.

 

[SEVEN]

The fight is not over. The Colgan integration was not equitable with respect to the ALPA integration policy and can be proven. The top 300 pilots at Mesaba don't care, but the remaining 800 pilots are moving for repeal. Sorry, CaptMurf. The majority is what counts. The top guys at xj will be at Delta by mid 2012 so this won't affect them much.

 

[CptMurf]

The fight is not over. The Colgan integration was not equitable with respect to the ALPA integration policy and can be proven. The top 300 pilots at Mesaba don't care, but the remaining 800 pilots are moving for repeal. Sorry, CaptMurf. The majority is what counts. The top guys at xj will be at Delta by mid 2012 so this won't affect them much.

I won't be joining the DAL flows... I missed that bus. I'm not saying the ISL was right or wrong, good or bad. I am just asking what the union could have done better. The final decision was Blochs', not the unions. I don't believe they should get the blame. If the fight continues, so be it, but remember... The outcome could worse than what we have here.

 

[RJLoser]

It's over seven.

 

[SEVEN]

I won't be joining the DAL flows... I missed that bus. I'm not saying the ISL was right or wrong, good or bad. I am just asking what the union could have done better. The final decision was Blochs', not the unions. I don't believe they should get the blame. If the fight continues, so be it, but remember... The outcome could worse than what we have here.

I am in agreement, the union could have done no more. That is not the issue. The issue now is for our leadership to make steps to begin the process of appeal/repeal because the integration policy was not adhered to by the arbitrator in this case. Thay have a duty to fight for our pilots in this case. It's a big ball, but were doing our best to get it rolling.

 

[avrorj-85]

I bet u won't find to many XJ pilots that fell into the first category bi##@ING. They got like 4:1.

Fact check there, bub. I am in the first category towards the bottom and pretty much fell within a number or two of what DOH integration wuld have been for the three companies. 4 to 1, ummm no.

 

[SEVEN]

It's over seven.

Can't blame a guy for trying. You know Bloch botched the list with respect to the Colgan integration. It's insane and hardly equitable. You would have to be out of your mind not to seed this point. Have you looked at the list? You'd be surprised at what lawyers can do these days. Wait til the DOH shows up next to the names on an updated list. Guys will go nuts. Unless your a 2007 new hire at Colgan. You are senior to 2003 XJ pilots. What a joke.

 

[RJLoser]

I know. I moved up but Colgan smoked me! I don't see what you are planning to do.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Appeal?? Lol that's funny no matter who you are!! HAHAha I'm all for it though.

 

[PCL_128]

SEVEN, no seniority arbitration has ever been overturned in the history of seniority arbitrations. The only thing you'd accomplish by trying to fight it would be emptying out your wallet and the wallets of every other gullible pilot who agreed to fund the legal fight (and the cost would be astronomical). Let it go. Arbitration is final and binding. Don't be a USAPA wannabe.

 

[Flyer1015]

SEVEN, no seniority arbitration has ever been overturned in the history of seniority arbitrations. The only thing you'd accomplish by trying to fight it would be emptying out your wallet and the wallets of every other gullible pilot who agreed to fund the legal fight (and the cost would be astronomical). Let it go. Arbitration is final and binding. Don't be a USAPA wannabe.

Decertify ALPA! :beer:

 

[On Your Six]

I am in agreement, the union could have done no more. That is not the issue. The issue now is for our leadership to make steps to begin the process of appeal/repeal because the integration policy was not adhered to by the arbitrator in this case. Thay have a duty to fight for our pilots in this case. It's a big ball, but were doing our best to get it rolling.

It's binding arbitration. It's over. Your management has to abide by it. You can try to pull a USAPA, but I bet it won't be voted in by the top Mesaba pilots, most of the Pinnacle pilots, and especially not any of the lucky Colgan pilots.


OYS

 

[DoinTime]

Fact check there, bub. I am in the first category towards the bottom and pretty much fell within a number or two of what DOH integration wuld have been for the three companies. 4 to 1, ummm no.

DOH has nothing to do with seniority integration.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The only and best way to appeal this crap sandwich is with your feet. Just another example that trying to work for a quality reputible place is not the way to go. Go to the biggest craphole for the quick upgrade and get out. Lesson finally learned, just a little too late.

 

[bri5150]

DOH has nothing to do with seniority integration.

Yes and no. For whatever reason he thought it was important for this:

The Pinnacle proposal would, for
example, place a 22-year Mesaba pilot (hired April 17, 1989) one number beneath
a Colgan pilot hired in May of 2001. And, that methodology would consign most
of the Colgan workforce to near or at the bottom of the ISL, a result that is​

unnecessary, given this record, and avoidable.

But it wasn't "unnecessary and avoidable" to screw Mesaba guys in the 6-10 year range (and even more for the bottom guys). I agree with xjhawk in that we got screwed hard and it certainly isn't fair. That being said, life isn't fair. I am going to look at it like shamruptcy part 2. I got f'ed there, and I got f'ed again. At least this time I have the PIC time to try and do something about it like so many did during shamruptcy. I only wish I could fast forward 2 years so I had my 4 year degree done. While I get that done, the next 2 years here are not going to be pretty, and it is only going to get worse.