Pinnacle is in deep, holy cow

[bri5150]

XJT is guaranteed replacement aircraft when the 145's are parked per our CPA with United. I'm not saying that we are bulletproof by any means, but there are some protections built into our CPA.

Best of luck to you guys. Hopefully there will be greener pastures for all of us sooner or later.

Yup, and ask any "legacy" pinnacle guy. Their 200's were "locked in" until 2017 too. Hows that working?

 

[cldsfr79]

how about UAL, NWA, USAir for a few, Bank Ruptcy always produces pay cuts/concessions to save a company.

But in this case you are squeezing juice from a turnip.

These guys aren't $200k a year pilots flying 12 days a month with 4 weeks of vacation.

They are 88' honda civic, apartment renting on the wrong side of the tracks, roman noodle eating pilots. (sorry, no offense....I have been there, and to there I could return)

 

[Texx]

XJT is guaranteed replacement aircraft when the 145's are parked per our CPA with United. I'm not saying that we are bulletproof by any means, but there are some protections built into our CPA.

Best of luck to you guys. Hopefully there will be greener pastures for all of us sooner or later.

Two things. one, if the scope clause allows more larger a/c and two....the only reason you have this clause is because of the ASA management team that made it apart of the CPA. Not your former management team.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I like turtles.

I LIKE LAMP!!!!!..............I like lamp

 

[1.3XVso]

Yup, and ask any "legacy" pinnacle guy. Their 200's were "locked in" until 2017 too. Hows that working?

Wtf is a legacy 9e pilot! ?!

 

[dollacrackho]

Don't worry the pilot shortage is coming. By the time it gets here Amerideltanental will be hiring and if they're not you can go to Gojet (the only remaining regional) and wait it out.

 

[bri5150]

Wtf is a legacy 9e pilot! ?!

I don't know. That's why it's in quotes. From what I can tell it is an original 9e pilot.

 

[crazy8]

Two things. one, if the scope clause allows more larger a/c and two....the only reason you have this clause is because of the ASA management team that made it apart of the CPA. Not your former management team.

Whatever dude. Do you really think I care who negotiated it?

 

[rene]

Ya know, in the olden days of yore, when pilots wanted to give the owners of a company a wedgie, the all signed letters of resignation, and sent one of their own in to the HDQ to negotiate with the letters in their hand. That's how the pay scales got to where they are, and while you enjoy the current pay scales(or not), the reason they are on the way back down is because very few will sign the letter and negotiate from a position of power. In fact most will kneel down before their current management, and take it like whimpering,sniveling azz horez, and when pinnacollaba gets done stretching their taters, will glady take a job at DAL, the ultimate puppet masters, thus enabling DAL to perpetuate this process yet again at another date. Until you learn that they have far more too lose than you, you will continue to be azz punked.
The bright side is the regional industry is just releasing bunches of pilots back into the wild, so the soon to be imploding majors can have fresh fodder for the first year payscale, expect some form of the B-scale to be implemented, your seniors wil gladly shove you under the bus for a sheckle or 2. It is called strategic hiring, hire whimpering, sniveling losers, who will gladly pimp their own young for a penny or 2. The industry continues the cycle.........again.

Your "Testicles" make you a male. They do not make you a man. Talk is cheap.....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Your "Testicles" make you a male. They do not make you a man. Talk is cheap.....

Assessment little too close to home?

 

[1.3XVso]

Your "Testicles" make you a male. They do not make you a man. Talk is cheap.....

No...there's a lot of people who are willing to do what needs to be done to fix this industry. Unfortunately the majority don't have "testicles" and therefore leaving US out numbered. I am a proven fact and learned that there is no winning battle. I feel bad for my comrades at 9e who are willing to fight!! But at the same time its what the spineless pre-merger 9e pilots deserve. Im still uncertain WTF is a 9E legacy pilot.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Ringrish?

 

[N4niner206]

What they are proposing is worse than Go Jets, Mesa-all the bottom feeders. But given our corrupt Judicial system the judge will allow it and not allow us any work actions.

Suddenly now you think that Pinnacle wasn't/isn't a "bottomfeeder" too? HAH!

That being said, I have no ill-will and truly do hope things work out and you guys stand strong.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What a joke. Despite the fact Delta was asking for all of that from the Comair guys before the pre-planned shutdown...

I hope Pinnacle pilots realize this is an attempt to ruin the regionals before they pull the plug. Don't believe for one second that Pinnacle is going to be around for much longer. Sorry guys and gals. I fully expect SkyWest, Inc. is next...

 

[xjhawk]

i never thought that Pinnacle was a bottom feeder, I just thought their operation sucked and they had a culture that made life extremely difficult to make ones life happy. Their scheduling, training and management styles leave a lot to be desired for when thinking of a company that you would want to work for. The fact that so many were able to upgrade quickly and move on was its only positive in my mind. Now that is gone and the fleets will be shrinking and any good factors the Mesaba contract brought to the table will be gone-it is and will be a bottom feeder with no growth, and no future. At least go jets is getting new planes......one also wonders if Delta will continue NWA's program of not hiring many pilots from Mesaba (Pinnacle). They have to take like 100 more flows and I would think unless you have 5-6 awesome references you will not be looked at and they will not hire from a regional that is already not able to complete its flights.

 

[Nightrain_080]

What a joke. Despite the fact Delta was asking for all of that from the Comair guys before the pre-planned shutdown...

I hope Pinnacle pilots realize this is an attempt to ruin the regionals before they pull the plug. Don't believe for one second that Pinnacle is going to be around for much longer. Sorry guys and gals. I fully expect SkyWest, Inc. is next...

Maybe in 20 years Skywest will be next......maybe.

Republic and Skywest have put themselves in a good position compared to the rest of the regionals. The majors keep promoting the cheap labor. delta is leading the way.

 

[titans10]

i never thought that Pinnacle was a bottom feeder, I just thought their operation sucked and they had a culture that made life extremely difficult to make ones life happy. Their scheduling, training and management styles leave a lot to be desired for when thinking of a company that you would want to work for. The fact that so many were able to upgrade quickly and move on was its only positive in my mind. Now that is gone and the fleets will be shrinking and any good factors the Mesaba contract brought to the table will be gone-it is and will be a bottom feeder with no growth, and no future. At least go jets is getting new planes......one also wonders if Delta will continue NWA's program of not hiring many pilots from Mesaba (Pinnacle). They have to take like 100 more flows and I would think unless you have 5-6 awesome references you will not be looked at and they will not hire from a regional that is already not able to complete its flights.

I believe NWA took alot of Mesaba guys. Especially in the late 90's and early 2000's.Those classes were about half mesaba guys.

 

[say again]

i never thought that Pinnacle was a bottom feeder, I just thought their operation sucked and they had a culture that made life extremely difficult to make ones life happy. Their scheduling, training and management styles leave a lot to be desired for when thinking of a company that you would want to work for

WTF do you think a bottom feeder is?!?! It's not just about pay. :erm:

 

[e=mc2]

Seems after ALPO signs off on these cuts, you guys would be looking to dump them and save the dues money for the 88 civic payments.

 

[bri5150]

Seems after ALPO signs off on these cuts, you guys would be looking to dump them and save the dues money for the 88 civic payments.

Absolute ignorance on the process right here. Anyone who blindly blames ALPA for these cuts when it happens has no idea what the bankruptcy process entails. In fact, the same ALPA leadership from the Mesaba shamruptcy was really good about getting our money back after the cuts were forced on us. There will be big pay cuts here and the blame will be 0% on ALPA. No union can stop it from happening.