Pinnacle is in deep, holy cow

[Smarta$$]

Read all 23 pages of the attachment. That is REALLY bad. Just WOW.

 

[pilotyip]

One could argue that none of these companies have been "saved" since none of them exist as stand alone companies as they did prior to their bankruptcies. The bankruptcy in and of itself was not enough.

They were stand alone at teh time of BK, and both DAL and NWA seemed to be doing prior to the merger

 

[WMUSIGPI]

They were stand alone at teh time of BK, and both DAL and NWA seemed to be doing prior to the merger

Both of those companies filed bankruptcy to align themselves FOR that merger, it was planned out ahead of time. Just as the Mesaba bankruptcy was done and the ending of ACA. It was all part of the aligning for the Delta/NWA merger. That's why it was one of the smoothest mergers in memory.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I was talking to some fellow pilots the other day and they shook their heads at those who will be leaving for the likes of JetBlue.... I would go there in a heartbeat and deal with the Commute. Better anywhere than here. What they are proposing is worse than Go Jets, Mesa-all the bottom feeders. But given our corrupt Judicial system the judge will allow it and not allow us any work actions.

Ya know, in the olden days of yore, when pilots wanted to give the owners of a company a wedgie, the all signed letters of resignation, and sent one of their own in to the HDQ to negotiate with the letters in their hand. That's how the pay scales got to where they are, and while you enjoy the current pay scales(or not), the reason they are on the way back down is because very few will sign the letter and negotiate from a position of power. In fact most will kneel down before their current management, and take it like whimpering,sniveling azz horez, and when pinnacollaba gets done stretching their taters, will glady take a job at DAL, the ultimate puppet masters, thus enabling DAL to perpetuate this process yet again at another date. Until you learn that they have far more too lose than you, you will continue to be azz punked.
The bright side is the regional industry is just releasing bunches of pilots back into the wild, so the soon to be imploding majors can have fresh fodder for the first year payscale, expect some form of the B-scale to be implemented, your seniors wil gladly shove you under the bus for a sheckle or 2. It is called strategic hiring, hire whimpering, sniveling losers, who will gladly pimp their own young for a penny or 2. The industry continues the cycle.........again.

 

[145BOSS]

I like turtles.

 

[Smarta$$]

how about UAL, NWA, USAir for a few, Bank Ruptcy always produces pay cuts/concessions to save a company.

Really? I thought airline bankrupcties produced executive bonusses?

 

[Ohh Porterhouse]

Best of luck to those at Pinnacle still. They are following Comair right out the door.

 

[pilotyip]

Really? I thought airline bankrupcties produced executive bonusses?

Only answering the question of "Name me an airline that gave concessions and survived?"

Both of those companies filed bankruptcy to align themselves FOR that merger, it was planned out ahead of time. Just as the Mesaba bankruptcy was done and the ending of ACA. It was all part of the aligning for the Delta/NWA merger. That's why it was one of the smoothest mergers in memory.

Maybe, but only answering hte question as per above.

 

[xjhawk]

Wrong, we can collectively give T.W. a significant (I know it would never be everyone) stack of resignation letters to hand the judge effective the moment a forced contract is awarded.

DO you think that will happen? When we have Pinnacle Pete leading the "take any cuts necessary to save the company (from a conference call....). Or the fact that TW have said that the most senior at this company cannot take cuts back to the wages they were making when they were 30 (I am assuming this also means they cannot lose their job too). I for one would rather be fired and get unemployment that could at least pay my mortgage for a short time while I find another job. I would strike-yet I would, but if that would happen-I will find a non flying job to pay the mortgage if that were to happen. Let those top 460 pilots that faired so well in the SLI and will be the only ones left at the company when the 200's leave sign their letters first, then I will sign mine. But the "position of strength" of a stack of resignation letters is a thing of the past. I am sure the ones who control our labor actions would call that an illegal strike and take action against our union leaders. The only way to make this place better is to have every single one of us leave to another airline. Let them fly the planes with the paper that ********************ty 1113 filing

 

[whaleroast]

Plain and simple it's time to leave pinnacle. Preferably at an out station after writing up about 20 non deferrable items. Let deltas figure out how to get their pax from point a to one of their ********************ty hellhole hubs. ******************** it.

 

[Flyer1015]

Didn't virgin America have upgrading captains going back to step one?

A long time ago, but that has since been fixed. All pilots upgrading keep their longevity at VA. So the most junior CA upgrade that was hired in Jan 2010 gets to keep his 3rd year FO pay into 3rd year CA pay.

 

[JumpersAway]

Well ponder this for a second. If 9E closes up shop, there WILL be some flying to be done, and someone will step foward to fill the void. Even if it is only for a short time. ExpressJet will need pilots, regardless of growth, and I'd bet they will be going after the lion's share of the block hours available. I see employment opportunities at ExpressJet for the 9E folks, if they choose. Frankly- I'd like to have you here rather than have to compete against you with those wages and work rules. Wow- just wow. I hate it for you guys, but there will be opportunity as a result of this.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Well ponder this for a second. If 9E closes up shop, there WILL be some flying to be done, and someone will step foward to fill the void. Even if it is only for a short time. ExpressJet will need pilots, regardless of growth, and I'd bet they will be going after the lion's share of the block hours available. I see employment opportunities at ExpressJet for the 9E folks, if they choose. Frankly- I'd like to have you here rather than have to compete against you with those wages and work rules. Wow- just wow. I hate it for you guys, but there will be opportunity as a result of this.

SNAP SNAP. Time to wake up from from your fantasy. This latest 1113C is just mgmts latest wish list. I don't think the final product will be anything like what they are requesting. Try a little harder to contain your excitement.

 

[RJLoser]

Well ponder this for a second. If 9E closes up shop, there WILL be some flying to be done, and someone will step foward to fill the void. Even if it is only for a short time. ExpressJet will need pilots, regardless of growth, and I'd bet they will be going after the lion's share of the block hours available. I see employment opportunities at ExpressJet for the 9E folks, if they choose. Frankly- I'd like to have you here rather than have to compete against you with those wages and work rules. Wow- just wow. I hate it for you guys, but there will be opportunity as a result of this.

Not to worry..you guys are next.

 

[xjhawk]

Its like the wishful thinking of a couple Pinnacle FO's I ran into while waiting for the train when Delta gave Mesaba away to Pinnacle corp. The most notable quote was "It will be nice to get all your jets, but I heard you will be keeping your turbo props. Maybe you all can be hired or stapled over at Pinnacle." Or something like that was how I remember it. The one thing was for sure, the guys eyes were glazed over thinking he was going to upgrade. I thought he was going to slip on his drool dripping over our planes.

 

[higney85]

PNCL is the titanic. The hull is spread wide open and folks are arguing over the next song to be played on the Lido Deck. The top brass is working out their exit packages, the bottom is already swimming. Those in the middle are just now getting the memo that this is "real" in a "O, Crap" fashion.

Swim like nemo..

 

[crazy8]

Not to worry..you guys are next.

XJT is guaranteed replacement aircraft when the 145's are parked per our CPA with United. I'm not saying that we are bulletproof by any means, but there are some protections built into our CPA.

Best of luck to you guys. Hopefully there will be greener pastures for all of us sooner or later.

 

[1.3XVso]

PNCL is the titanic. The hull is spread wide open and folks are arguing over the next song to be played on the Lido Deck. The top brass is working out their exit packages, the bottom is already swimming. Those in the middle are just now getting the memo that this is "real" in a "O, Crap" fashion.

Swim like nemo..

Daddy is on the way to the rescue at purple. Did you stop sipping the union juice finally?

 

[Flyer1015]

Its like the wishful thinking of a couple Pinnacle FO's I ran into while waiting for the train when Delta gave Mesaba away to Pinnacle corp. The most notable quote was "It will be nice to get all your jets, but I heard you will be keeping your turbo props. Maybe you all can be hired or stapled over at Pinnacle." Or something like that was how I remember it. The one thing was for sure, the guys eyes were glazed over thinking he was going to upgrade. I thought he was going to slip on his drool dripping over our planes.

I thought the current thinking was that ya'll prop pilots transitioning to left seat RJs will have to be babysitted by experienced RJ FOs who will hold your hand and teach you how to safely fly a jet. This is the big league now, leaving your prop world behind.



/sarcasm

 

[pilotyip]

I thought the current thinking was that ya'll prop pilots transitioning to left seat RJs will have to be babysitted by experienced RJ FOs who will hold your hand and teach you how to safely fly a jet. This is the big league now, leaving your prop world behind.



/sarcasm

Biggest guarded secret in aviation, jets are easier to fly