Pinnacle is Going Bye Bye!

[OCP]

ASA operates over 900 flights a day for the Summer Schedule.

Trojan

Yeah... I figured it was up there, but its lower (I think?) for just ATL, which is where their 900s are.

 

[Lazy8]

Are the pilots really buying this nonsense? The truth is you guys are upset about not having a contract and hateing your company. PCL mgt bitching about Delta's schedules is a scape goat. How many flights a day did PCL have out of ATL? (Really, I don't know) Now how many does ASA have out of ATL? (I think around 650 or more). Don't we all have to deal with the same Delta? Believe me when I say this. When we were all pissed off about our contract our management blamed Delta also. But its the same Delta, only we have a happy productive pilot group now, and our #s reflect that.

So you think this happened because the pilots are unhappy here? Then how do you explain 99% completion factor and record on-time performance on the NWA Airlink side of Pinnacle? That theory just doesn't have any validity.

You are right about one thing though. It's a Delta problem, but we all don't deal with the same agenda from Delta. Again, the schedules set-up for Pinnacle were not like the schedules set up for the rest of the DCI carriers.

 

[OCP]

It's a Delta problem, but we all don't deal with the same agenda from Delta. Again, the schedules set-up for Pinnacle were not like the schedules set up for the rest of the DCI carriers.

Why not? Delta has how many DCI carriers? Comair, ASA, Skywest, Republic, Expressjet, Pinnacle, Mesa, Chautauqua... Who else is currently haveing a problem? (Mesa) This is EXACTLY what ASA mgt was telling us when our #s sucked! Its Delta's fault. But I never heard any of the other DCIs having a problem.

Oh and if you are proud of your 99% completion for NWA and 4+ years into the end of your contract, that's nothing to brag about. Time to fly by the book and make sure your airplanes are the safest things in the sky. And make sure that you look at the FAR/AIM and taxi at a brisk walk speed.

 

[NWA]

Anderson was in Memphis yesterday, and last night having drinks with his old buddy Phil. In a couple of weeks Pinnacle will anounce they get to keep the 900 flying for Delta but have to make some major improvements. Anderson was quoted he is still in discussions with Pinnacle. If they really are gone, which I doubt it they will go to Comair, and rightfully so.

 

[79%N1]

Why is it rightfully so they go to Comair? They are to be flown out of ATL. What? Is Comair going to open an ATL base to replace PCL, or should they go to an airline based there already? (ASA/Skywest)

 

[JoeMerchant]

For the union diehards....Sounds like the PNCL folks aren't "working to rule"....99% completion on the NWA side and reports that 9 out of 10 captains aren't participating....What say you? We know it works....why aren't they participating....????

Could it be that most in this industry.....especially at this level....don't want to "rock the boat"......

Are we really "all in this together"....or are we "all in this for ourselves".....There is a difference........

 

[andyd]

Anderson was in Memphis yesterday, and last night having drinks with his old buddy Phil. In a couple of weeks Pinnacle will anounce they get to keep the 900 flying for Delta but have to make some major improvements. Anderson was quoted he is still in discussions with Pinnacle. If they really are gone, which I doubt it they will go to Comair, and rightfully so.

He was in Memphis to tell the proverbial Bear where and when to Sh!t in the woods. Maybe Philbo was promised a job at DAL in exchange for taking PCL down when the new DAL cancels the entire RJ contract with 9E?

 

[CRJ puppy]

Why is it rightfully so they go to Comair? They are to be flown out of ATL. What? Is Comair going to open an ATL base to replace PCL, or should they go to an airline based there already? (ASA/Skywest)

Comair already does a bunch of 900 flying out of ATL. AUS, JFK, MSP, CVG, etc...and where ever else decides they should fly that day, week, month...

 

[Lazy8]

Why not? Delta has how many DCI carriers? Comair, ASA, Skywest, Republic, Expressjet, Pinnacle, Mesa, Chautauqua... Who else is currently haveing a problem? (Mesa) This is EXACTLY what ASA mgt was telling us when our #s sucked! Its Delta's fault. But I never heard any of the other DCIs having a problem.

Oh and if you are proud of your 99% completion for NWA and 4+ years into the end of your contract, that's nothing to brag about. Time to fly by the book and make sure your airplanes are the safest things in the sky. And make sure that you look at the FAR/AIM and taxi at a brisk walk speed.

Listen, I've could give two sh*ts less about any regionals performance. All the airlines you listed are piles of crap (including 9E). You're completely missing the point. I'm not bragging about 9E's Airlink performance. I'm asking you - how can you justify 9E DCI's failure on low pilot morale/old contract when the Airlink side is flourishing? Our on-time and completion are consistently better than both Compass and Mesaba. Again, i'm not bragging I'm just trying to get you to understand and perhaps see the error in your logic. The answer: It has nothing to do with a 4-year old contract and morale. It has to do with realistic schedules.

What other DCI carrier is running under 35 minute turns connecting from one side of ATL to the other? None. Will a new pilot contract come with rocket boots to propel our pilots across the airport faster for better #'s... whatever you wanna believe buddy!

 

[Lazy8]

Comair already does a bunch of 900 flying out of ATL. AUS, JFK, MSP, CVG, etc...and where ever else decides they should fly that day, week, month...

Comair doesn't have ACARS... so they're always on-time! :laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Could it be that most in this industry.....especially at this level....don't want to "rock the boat"......

Are we really "all in this together"....or are we "all in this for ourselves".....There is a difference........

Good question. Unfortunately, my former PCL brothers don't seem to be willing to do what it takes. That's disappointing. Time to stand up for yourselves.

 

[Spicepilots]

Listen, I've could give two sh*ts less about any regionals performance. All the airlines you listed are piles of crap (including 9E). You're completely missing the point. I'm not bragging about 9E's Airlink performance. I'm asking you - how can you justify 9E DCI's failure on low pilot morale/old contract when the Airlink side is flourishing? Our on-time and completion are consistently better than both Compass and Mesaba. Again, i'm not bragging I'm just trying to get you to understand and perhaps see the error in your logic. The answer: It has nothing to do with a 4-year old contract and morale. It has to do with realistic schedules.

What other DCI carrier is running under 35 minute turns connecting from one side of ATL to the other? None. Will a new pilot contract come with rocket boots to propel our pilots across the airport faster for better #'s... whatever you wanna believe buddy!

You're completely missing the point. The point is that Delta announced more than six months ago that it wanted to cut the number of DCI carriers in half. Turns out you have better control over the brand when it's not spread out over twelve different contractors, and five or six is still enough to play against each other. We're all in Mother Delta's sights, even the "almighty SkyWest". They couldn't care less WHY your performance sucks, they just want your contract terminated and they will say what they need to make it sound legit. (reference Freedom) If you wanna whine about unrealistic schedules, try coming out west and doing 18 minute turns in a Brasilia all day long.

 

[Lazy8]

You're completely missing the point. The point is that Delta announced more than six months ago that it wanted to cut the number of DCI carriers in half. Turns out you have better control over the brand when it's not spread out over twelve different contractors, and five or six is still enough to play against each other. We're all in Mother Delta's sights, even the "almighty SkyWest". They couldn't care less WHY your performance sucks, they just want your contract terminated and they will say what they need to make it sound legit. (reference Freedom) If you wanna whine about unrealistic schedules, try coming out west and doing 18 minute turns in a Brasilia all day long.

Which is exactly what I was saying. Of course this 'scheduling' thing is an excuse, but it's excuse none-the-less - and it has nothing to do with a pilot contract.

18 minute turns work when your cities are Bumf*ck, Nowhere. Not Atlanta. We do quick turns at outstations too. point? none? yeah.. another d-bag speaks his mind on the ole FI.

 

[Spicepilots]

Which is exactly what I was saying. Of course this 'scheduling' thing is an excuse, but it's excuse none-the-less - and it has nothing to do with a pilot contract.

18 minute turns work when your cities are Bumf*ck, Nowhere. Not Atlanta. We do quick turns at outstations too. point? none? yeah.. another d-bag speaks his mind on the ole FI.

Um, yeah, last time I checked, LAX, SFO (and used to be DEN) aren't really outstations. But whatever, you know everything. Whatsamatta, still p***ed because SkyWest wouldn't hire you with 20 hours of multi??

 

[Lazy8]

Um, yeah, last time I checked, LAX, SFO (and used to be DEN) aren't really outstations. But whatever, you know everything. Whatsamatta, still p***ed because SkyWest wouldn't hire you with 20 hours of multi??

Here we go... my sh*tty regional is better than your sh*tty regional. So how do you look in that SkyWest cheerleader uniform anyway?

Never applied to SkyWest... But assuming I was a low-timer or PFTer is pretty funny. I forgot your 'real airline' was reserved only for the elite 1000/100 instructors of America? LOL give me a break man. Maybe you can walk my resume into SkyWest when it's the last surviving regional? Come on. Pals? Top of the bottom feeders has always been a long-term career goal for me, yah know.

By the way... 18 minute turn for how many pax again? yeah... why don't you just drop that completely irrelevant comparison. As I stated way earlier ... who gives a !@#$? Whatssamatta... still p*ssed you're just a big fish in a small pond?

 

[Spicepilots]

Eagle Job Fair
I got an email about an LA American Eagle Job Fair from airlineapps.

Anyone know if the 100 hours multi is a deal breaker with them? The website just says time requirements are commensurate with experience. I've got about 1100 total, 30 multi, ATP Written, current first class, FCC license, passport, etc.... Just curious if I would even get the opportunity to interview with them at the job fair or if they'd just send me out the door. Guess there's one way to find out.

thanks
g


Well, "G", ya posted that a little over a year ago, about the time you were asking for info on every place under the sun, so it's not a great leap of intellect to see you went someplace that would hire you with low multi. Nobody cares how many years you pounded a 172 around. Just saying. But you probably still hang out at your POS flight school on your days off because you're an "airline pilot" and all the instructors look up to you YAY uke:

Anyway, in your rush to malign the company I work for, you completely missed my original point, so I'll explain again using small words you can understand. Delta is putting ALL of their contracts under the microscope and determining which ones are most useful to break and have the smallest financial penalty. Pinnacle's was one of them, Freedom's was the first to go... And be assured that there are more to come, possibly even SkyWest. Stamping your feet and whining that "the Airlink side is flourishing" is completely irrelevant.

Also, you act like 9E is the ONLY company held to impossible standards by mainline. Of course you are. We all are. My point about the Brasilias is that UAL (which works from the same playbook DAL does) sets a standard they think we won't meet, and when we actually do achieve our goals, they up them so they can avoid paying out our contract bonuses the next Q. I could whine too, about how you can't make a quick turn in ORD because you're always stuck waiting on commo, or a jetbridge driver, or a wheelchair, but when push comes to shove, United doesn't give a rat's patootie that your shortcomings are actually their fault. At least they finally stopped making us swap RJ's in ORD with less than 35 minutes in the turn. It's just business, and when facing their own potential demise, the legacies are slashing any contract they believe will at least APPEAR to benefit the bottom line. It's probably not "fair", or even "logical" but it's reality. And since when do logic and reason have anything to do with the airline industry anyway?

 

[405]

Seems like an easy enough situation then. We just continue to suck ass for Delta with their 1+15 block times on a 1+45 route and we go away. Cool. Thanks for the info. I'm not crying here on my end. I personally hate Delta and Northwest. I hope they merge, die fast and go bankrupt.

I dream of the day the entire "airline" industry as we know it implodes, bleeds and sh*ts itself out of business ebola style.

ALL airlines suck. Customer service is dead. You kids argue about it like it's a high school football game with this "my airline is better than yours" drivel. They all suck.

 

[Spicepilots]

And by the way, my SkyWest uniform looks fantasic on me, thanks for asking.

 

[405]

And by the way, my SkyWest uniform looks fantasic on me, thanks for asking.

Take my luggage up to room 406, dude. Thanks. Here's a dollar...

 

[Lear70]

Seems like an easy enough situation then. We just continue to suck ass for Delta with their 1+15 block times on a 1+45 route and we go away. Cool. Thanks for the info. I'm not crying here on my end. I personally hate Delta and Northwest. I hope they merge, die fast and go bankrupt.

I dream of the day the entire "airline" industry as we know it implodes, bleeds and sh*ts itself out of business ebola style.

ALL airlines suck. Customer service is dead. You kids argue about it like it's a high school football game with this "my airline is better than yours" drivel. They all suck.

Hey, buddy! How the h*ll are ya"?

Long time no talk,,, good to see you still think the same way.

Where you been?