pinnacle hiring

[Seminole]

Maybe

Let Rich tell me that. He is not hiding from anything or anyone. I would be shocked if he told me to remove it.IF he does....I will. And I will apologize. If you think it is not appropriate then I apologize to you. However, your request is denied, just like all your drop trips. (I'm trying to be funny, not a smarta**)
Respectfully submitted with a geniune smile. Please don't hate me.

 

[scabseeker]

Wha??

Do you guys really have 30+% failure rates on fed rides? Wow you have some mean feds. I have never even heard of anyone failing a fed ride.

 

[PCL_128]

Do you guys really have 30+% failure rates on fed rides? Wow you have some mean feds. I have never even heard of anyone failing a fed ride.

It's not the real feds failing our guys, it's the company check-airmen for the most part. It's sad when you take a sigh of relief when you find out that the FAA is doing your fed ride instead of a company check-airman, but that's the reality at PCL.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Yeah it really sucks here. Only one month on reserve and a line with 98 hours the second (DTW). I would much rather go somewhere else with old equipment, no growth, and sit on reserve for years...

 

[DoinTime]

Conspiracy runs deep in the minds of the paranoid.

Utterly pathetic thread if you ask me.

 

[dondk]

Yeah it really sucks here. Only one month on reserve and a line with 98 hours the second (DTW). I would much rather go somewhere else with old equipment, no growth, and sit on reserve for years...

You've been here two months.. let's talk again in 6 months.. Let's talk if no more jet's arrive.. Timing is everything at 9E, talk to FO's who rode the couch for 14-16 months... Be happy you are where you are, but you are still on the bottom. Do 4 CHS in a row and then we will see how happy you are...

Don't expect line values to stay up much longer, traditionally they drop come Oct to Feb... Guarantee on a first year FO salary is tough.. (been there and done that).

It's not the real feds failing our guys, it's the company check-airmen for the most part. It's sad when you take a sigh of relief when you find out that the FAA is doing your fed ride instead of a company check-airman, but that's the reality at PCL.

Yea.. I think we had maybe 2 get failed by the Fed's.. the other 2 dozen or so were did not have the pleasure of a fed in the seat..

 

[DoinTime]

Yea.. I think we had maybe 2 get failed by the Fed's.. the other 2 dozen or so were by done by a combination of 2 of OUR check-airman. You know it sucks when the same guys you work with screw you over for another year in the right seat.

Screw you over??? Competent pilots don't fail line checks. If you can't even fly one leg without stepping on your d*ck you don't deserve to be in the left seat.

 

[Seminole]

Screw you over??? Competent pilots don't fail line checks. If you can't even fly one leg without stepping on your d*ck you don't deserve to be in the left seat.

Yea that sums it all up......for you anyway.

 

[Lear70]

PCL, thanks for your concern, I appreciate it, but Seminole is evidently someone who knows me at least passingly well 'cause I've posted my full name, address, and phone number on this forum before calling someone out on a bunch of b.s. and won't ever hide behind anonymity. Like my Grandmother used to say, "If it's not something you would say to someone's face, it's not worth saying behind their back".

DoinTime, you're more naiive than I thought if you truly believe that this MEC wouldn't go to GREAT LENGTHS to keep me out. I know that the election was being discussed in June prior to the bid packets coming out, and I have the dates and times I spoke to ALPA who had already outlined the timeline for the vote. They very easily could have had the nominations and votes in July, had plenty of time to bid for that day off, but chose not to. They waited an extra month and told people that I wouldn't be elligible, LONG BEFORE they even announced the date of the meeting.

It was that information that got back to me which prompted me to call ALPA, find out about the council bypass, and request it... I wouldn't have had time to do the research and file the paperwork if I hadn't heard about their plan BEFORE they announced the meeting date.

Suuurrrre it's all coincidence. Didn't think you drank the kool-aid, company or MEC.

 

[DoinTime]

Rich...I wasn't referring to your specific situation but rather many of the other various conspiracy theories that have been floated in this thread. I have no idea if there was a conspiracy to keep you out of elected office but you have to admit you made it easy for certain factions of the MEC to lock you out if that was truly their intention.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. This is only a temporary position. Use the next 4-5 months to campaign and gather support for the permanent position. If you convince the majority of the voting membership in DTW that you are the best person for the job you will win. Democracy is great isn't it.

 

[PCL_128]

Screw you over??? Competent pilots don't fail line checks. If you can't even fly one leg without stepping on your d*ck you don't deserve to be in the left seat.

Glad to know that you're perfect and have never made a mistake flying the line. I wish we could all be as perfect as you. All hail Dointime! We can only aspire to be half as good a pilot as he. (copious amounts of sarcasm)

The problem is the way these certain check-airmen are performing their duties during fed rides. This is supposed to be a simple observation ride with maybe an occasional question about why you made a certain decision. These check-airmen are berating pilots the entire flight. They never let up with the outlandish questions, and when the pilot is distracted by it and misses a radio call, they jump down his throat. There is no reason for such an adversarial relationship. The feds doing these rides have done their job the way it was intended: they observe and make sure you don't do anything illegal or unsafe. The company check-airmen need to lose the attitude.

 

[Lear70]

Yes, I did make it easy... That's one of the few down-sides to sport bidding I guess, but who knew Dave would have been leaving mid-term? And you're absolutely right, it's only a 5-month term, but it's the willfulness with which it seems to have been done that makes me so irritated.

Maybe it IS all a big coincidence, but I don't believe in simultaneous multiple coincidences; one or two maybe but not the four or five that had to come together to keep me inelligible. We'll see how February pans out...

 

[dondk]

but rather many of the other various conspiracy theories that have been floated in this thread.

I don't know if I would call it "conspiracy theories".. If the company or other party wants to make life difficult on a pilot it does happen and has happened. This is not anything new to this industry or to any ONE airline.

There is still (alive and well) various "cliques" in our pilot group and our company that ensure certain ways prevail.

Conspiracy? I don't think so.. but you better be on the "good" side.. or you better be well prepared.

 

[DoinTime]

The problem is the way these certain check-airmen are performing their duties during fed rides. This is supposed to be a simple observation ride with maybe an occasional question about why you made a certain decision. These check-airmen are berating pilots the entire flight. They never let up with the outlandish questions, and when the pilot is distracted by it and misses a radio call, they jump down his throat. There is no reason for such an adversarial relationship. The feds doing these rides have done their job the way it was intended: they observe and make sure you don't do anything illegal or unsafe. The company check-airmen need to lose the attitude.

As captain of the ship you need to mitigate distractions in the cockpit. If you were so distracted that you became unable to perform your duties in the you need to do something about it. During my fed ride in the CRJ I had to tell both the Fed and the check airman in my right seat to STFU as their relentless bantor was creating a distration to my duties. Its unfortunate for some that our examiners force us to be better pilots.

 

[Seminole]

As captain of the ship you need to mitigate distractions in the cockpit. If you were so distracted that you became unable to perform your duties in the you need to do something about it. During my fed ride in the CRJ I had to tell both the Fed and the check airman in my right seat to STFU as their relentless bantor was creating a distration to my duties. Its unfortunate for some that our examiners force us to be better pilots.

Sorry man, but you are a truth stretcher......see how easy it is to call someone else's story BS..You sound pretty foolish with that story.

How bout this one.....well on my fed ride in the CRJ the check airmen in my right seat told both the FED and I to STFU as our relentless bantor was creating a distraction from his nap time. So there.

 

[xrayojilp1]

Somebody e-mail this to me in late April. Read it closely. It will help you understand more......


We heard about the Richard Murphy little tatter, everyone wants to know what the hell is
the matter. Seems there was a little to much chatter, junior pilots gonna knock Wake off
the ladder.
So at Wake’s request, he’s divided this pilot group and created a mess. You don’t like
Richard Murphy, I guess? Cause he and the junior pilots won’t work for less?
Wake’s blown off Richard over a dozen times, now him and his cronies seek Murphy’s
demise. Everything you say is just a bunch of lies, at least Richard Murphy works hard and
tries.
That won’t fly, Murphy speaks for me, not this Wakefield guy. We are tired of Wake
cause he won’t even try, always selling us a big fat lie. Why? Cause Alpa National has him
hanging by his tie. We are the Mesa of Northwest in the industry eye. This time we will
get our piece of the pie.
Wake and Trenary have a little secret, it’s called a carrot on stick, recurrent is where they
leak it. Your ass is where they seek it.
75 jets are on the table, with a concessionaire label. We are tired of cleaning Trenary’s
stable. We are tired of reading your fable. You are not going to hang us from a gable with
a cable. You think we are not able?
Junior pilots have nothing to lose, Wake, you don’t fight for our current rules. You must
be confused, you think you gonna play us for a bunch of fools. Junior pilots gonna show
you and your management tools, we been kick for the last time in our jewels. Wake, we
can replace you if we choose, we have already lit that fuse, Richard Murphy gonna be
wearing your dirty shoes.
Can’t drop a trip or trip trade, now Wake wants you to drink his Kool-Aid. Junior pilots
just want to be paid, not looking for state and federal aid.
Wake, you have been given your chance, but we always have to drop our pants. We are
treated as if we our flying a Lance, this time we are taking a stance.
Wakefield Gordon has had his fifteen minutes of fame, Junior pilots think he is kind of
lame, maybe a little too tame. If you think your gonna rollover on us, your smoking Mary
Jane, tripping on window-payne, and doing too much nose caine. We don’t give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**
about you and your new job with Dwayne.
Wake if you think you and Dwayne are gonna sell us down the river, you are smoking
crack, shooting up smack. This junior pilot group will attack. That is a fact.
Junior pilots are coming to town, were gonna take you down, Richard Murphy gonna be
wearing your crown. This boy is like a blood hound.
We are tired of you and your pilot lawyer, our grievances disappear like Tom Sawyer.
Richard Murphy is our battleship destroyer.
You have already kick us in the chin, our kids dress like Huckberry Finn. This time junior
pilots gonna win, this new contract won’t be a sin, like management treating you like their
next of kin.
Junior pilots are gonna stand up tall, Richard Murphy is getting the call. This time Wake is
taking the fall, cause our butt’s are way too raw. We just want the respect of the guys
across the hall, instead of being treated like we broke the law.
Wake is like OPEC and the price of gasoline, it’s gonna be his contract with no Vaseline.
Wake has forgotten about the team, junior pilots are feeling a little mean,
hungry and lean, can’t afford to eat a butter bean.
Can’t call in honest, fatigue, or sick, Wake you are always sucking management’s dick.
Junior pilots all think your a prick, in the back room always turning a trick.
FOM more restrictive, take it with a smile, here is another memo for your file. We think it
should go to trial, but you won’t walk half a mile.
Junior pilots had to learn: extended, junior manned, mistrip with concern. Step down now
you have had your turn, you little worm.
Mistrip carries the same weight, as checking in late. We are not taking your growth bait.
Wake you have met your fate.
We don’t like what you say, you must be in bed with Kay? We need a slam dunk like Dr.
J. We are gonna take you down, I think in May. Is that OK? Cause you got no clout, like a
stained shirt without Shout. The LEC’s are gonna vote you out.
This ain’t meant to be funny, we are gonna shut the doors if we don’t see the money. We
want Richard Murphy, not a yellow belly bunny, walking around like Trenary’s little
honey.
Richard Murphy speaks for me, yea he has got the contract key. Wakefield thinks were all
blind and can’t see, that Alpa gonna sting us like a bubble-bee. Pissing on us like a dog on
a tree. Paying big fees, everyone is down on there knees and they don’t even say please.
Wake you have had your fun, what’s it like being Trenary’s new son. Junior pilots know
Alpa eats it’s young. You won’t stand behind anyone that don’t make you come. Your
gonna cause us to loose a ton. Do you think we are all dumb? We think you are a bum.
We think Richard Murphy has already won. Like the American colors he don’t run.
JH and TL are on board, Blacksheep too. GB will be with us in just a few.
BBs will play ball or they are through.
DD knows the plan, so does the MSP Man. We got one MEM fan. Vote out the MEC,
we think we can.
Our new leaders don’t swallow, never will they wallow. They are definitely not hollow.
This is all for now,
there will be more to follow.................

Sounds to me somebody gots WAY too much time on their hands!

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

You've been here two months.. let's talk again in 6 months.. Let's talk if no more jet's arrive.. Timing is everything at 9E, talk to FO's who rode the couch for 14-16 months... Be happy you are where you are, but you are still on the bottom. Do 4 CHS in a row and then we will see how happy you are...

In six months you will still be here bitching and whining. Isn't there a better forum to discuss these issues?

You must be a pleasure to fly with.

 

[dondk]

In six months you will still be here bitching and whining. Isn't there a better forum to discuss these issues?

You must be a pleasure to fly with.

Hmmm.. Don't see how I was bitching an whining...

I simply call is as I see it.. I do enjoy coming to work, but I am a realist when it comes to Pinnacle.

It gets to me when some "wonders" from my pilot group come out and make it seem all rosy and wonderful at Pinnacle.. 1 month of reserve and 98 hours!!!
While that worked for you, it was your timing on getting to the line and getting to DTW. Did your classmates in MEM or MSP get the same?

We get others that make similar comments that you can upgrade in less than 6 months (that is today, 1 year ago it was 3 years, in 6 months it may be back to 2+ years). Others make comments about growth and shiny new aircraft. At some point #129 will be on the property. Then let's talk about growth and shiny new aircraft.. 8390A is not all the shiny anymore and it is not even 4 years old.

Dirty Sanchez.. you got lucky.. good for you.. I hope you stay off of reseve and hold that 98 hour line for the next 4 years in the right seat...

 

[xrayojilp1]

We already have over 100 aircraft. If you just get hired on and miss this new hire captain slot you have to realize you will not upgrade for probably 4+ years. We won't grow during the contract negotiations.

Look what happened on the last contract. We shrunk, we furloughed, we lost half of our airline to Mesaba. People sat on reserve for 3+ years. If you don't corrolate that with contract negotiations then you drink as much company Kool Aid as ole' Sanchez.

Just wait and see. And remember why its happening.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

"Only" a 30% increase in our fleet size by sometime in '05. That is horrible.

True the contract negotiations may drag on, but at least we are still hiring. My "two months" puts me 100+ up the seniority list.

I could hold a better line in MSP. I hated getting paid to sit at home in DTW this past month. My classmates are holding lines in both MEM and MSP. The two classes prior to me were on reserve for less than two weeks. Compare that to anywhere else. Things aren't perfect at 9E, but they never will be. The posts here make it sound like TSA or Great Lakes, which is not the case.

I will upgrade by the end of next year. If not, at least I will not have to worry about being at the bottom of the seniority list. I don't like the Kool-Aid, just try to stay positive. If I spent as much time as some contemplating and prophesizing about the doom and gloom that nobody knows about, I would go crazy.